The Mike Huckabee (R) Campaign Thread

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  1. dogface

    dogface Let's Just Pretend

    Jun 22, 2002
    St. Peter, MN
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah, we wouldn't want "highly-skilled and highly-educated" immigrants. :rolleyes:

    I want unskilled farm laborers and illegal criminals only.
     
  2. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    It depends on what the definition of "highly-skilled and highly-educated" is, isn't it? When "five of the top 10 were Indian outsourcers" then the H1b program is not doing a whole lot for us, is it? We don't need 65,000 H1b visas a year let alone more.
     
  3. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Right. It's bad for American citizens in IT. Good for corporations that want cheap labor.

    Huckabee does nothing for me. Waste of time. Not sure why people like him, other than wanting to get rid of the IRS or-probably more importantly in Iowa-his minister status/religion.


    I hope he doesn't get elected.
     
  4. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
    Club:
    Connecticut
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071208/ap_on_el_pr/huckabee_aids

    What would Jesus do?
     
  5. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  6. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    If you think attracting the World's best and brightest is bad for America you are delusional. As for H1B visas driving down the cost of labor, these people are filling the highest paying jobs.
     
  7. chapulincolorado

    Jul 14, 1999
    McAllen, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    FYP. That's afterall what the Evangelicals would love to do whoever does not meet their religious agenda.
     
  8. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It is? How many evangelicals do you know?

    Say rather, it is what a few fundamentalists who are a very loud minority among evangelicals would love to do to whoever does not meet their religious agenda.
     
  9. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    These recent stories will hurt him with the liberals who seem (inexplicably!!!) not to mind him too much, but weren't going to vote for him in the first place. I don't think gay bashing hurts very much in the Republican primaries, though it is a bit harmful for the general election.
     
  10. Attacking Minded

    Attacking Minded New Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Actually, no. From wikipedia,

    “DOL has split the prevailing wage into four levels, with Level One representing about the 17th percentile of wage average Americans earn - and about 80% of LCA are filed at this 17th percentile level. This four level prevailing wage can be obtained the DOL website, [17] and is generally far lower than average wages.”

    Four out of five H1-B visa holders are paid level one wages.

    Here is a histogram showing the wages of H1-B visa workers compared to the rest of workers.

    www.cis.org/articles/2005/back138.gif

    Correct me if I’m wrong but if the supply is so short the wages should be much higher.

    Again, there’s one way to fix this H1-B mess. Have employers bid for H1-B visas and let the people on H1-B visas freely change jobs. I’m sure we’ll quickly find that the H1-B workers aren’t nearly as valuable as employers claim.
     
  11. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Fine, make it a bidding process. And if we're so concerned about Indian outsourcing re-impose "Nation of Origin" quotas. I simply refuse to believe our immigration crisis is caused by too many smart people coming to our shores.
     
  12. Caesar

    Caesar Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Oztraya
    So does this guy have 'I Heart Huckabee' campaign buttons yet? Because I am totally up for one of those.
     
  13. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I heard he hated the movie, so probably no such luck.
     
  14. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Mike Huckabee.
    http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/jonesboro/afhuckabee08.asp

    "The reason we have so much government is because we have so much broken humanity," he said. "And the reason we have so much broken humanity is because sin reigns in the hearts and lives of human beings instead of the Savior."
    ....
    "Government knows it does not have the answer, but it's arrogant and acts as though it does," Huckabee said. "Church does have the answer but will cowardly deny that it does and wonder when the world will be changed."
    ....
    "I didn't get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives."


    Hey folks, the solution to everything is simple. Jesus Christ.
     
  15. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right there is why I think his campaign has peaked. The novelty and the likability will wear off, and this kind of talk will bring people to their senses.
     
  16. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    GWB is President.

    Karl Rove has had a successful career manipulating stupid Americans to vote for his candidates.

    So IMO you can't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.
     
  17. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GWB didn't talk like this.
     
  18. Michael Russ

    Michael Russ Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Buffalo, NY

    Come to their senses about what?

    This sounds like things Jimmy Carter could easily have implied, while at the same time appealing to the Ronald Reagan government is the problem not the answer themes. If Huchabee gets on a roll, he could have the Republican base locked up and excited going into the general election.

    I am certainly not of the same religous stripe as Huckabee, but I don't think genuine religous convictions disqualify somone from being a good president, and I think an overwhelming majority of people believe that personal responsibility, whether it is because of your belief in Jesus Christ, or Mohamad, or just a belief in your responsibility to humanity can solve problems much better than government can.

    Part of what bothered me about Romney was he didn't seem to be genuine and was willing to say whatever he thought he needed to to get elected.

    Edit to say what Carter Would have "implied", instead of what he would have "said" Carter would never have been so "christian" but he would imply it by talking about "faith" and "church"
     
  19. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought it was rather overrated myself. I expected better.
     
  20. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Before you stand behind this statement, you may want to consider that Denilson got in on just such a visa.
    ;):D
     
  21. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Yes he does.

    http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=808

    it has taken a war, and the prospect of more, to highlight a central fact: this president—this presidency—is the most resolutely “faith-based” in modern times, an enterprise founded, supported and guided by trust in the temporal and spiritual power of God. Money matters, as does military might. But the Bush administration is dedicated to the idea that there is an answer to societal problems here and to terrorism abroad: give everyone, everywhere, the freedom to find God, too.
    ...
    Bible-believing Christians are Bush’s strongest backers, and turning them out next year in even greater numbers is the top priority of the president’s political adviser Karl Rove.


    From his inauguration speech.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050120-1.html

    The rulers of outlaw regimes can know that we still believe as Abraham Lincoln did: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."

    and...
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa012901a.htm
    In a first executive order, Bush created the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.
     
  22. RobertK

    RobertK Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. He's the flavor of the month. He will quickly fade back to where he was before this little tidal wave of excitement.
     
  23. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe, but he'll take a few people down with him.
     
  24. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn

    Even if he's the flavor of the month, December before the Iowa primary is a pretty damn good month to be the flavor of. If he wins Iowa (and he's got a 22 point lead in the latest Newsweek poll), then he gets a bunch of good press, which probably won't help him in NH but could in SC. He does that and he pretty much kills Romney's campaign and consolidates the evangelical vote, which gives him a very powerful position on Feb 5, especially if McCain comes back and wins NH, making it a 3 person race with Giuliani, but with only one plausible social conservative.

    You can win this nomination being the flavor of the month.
     
  25. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Which is pathetic.

    One, it means Americans go with who's popular at the time, not necessarily the best candidate.

    Second, it means if Iowa says this is a good guy, people are like sheep. They vote for him too. It's amazing when you think about it-the smallest states in the US determine who wins, because too many voters can't think for themselves, and fall into the "sheep" mentality/Monkey See, Monkey Do. I mean, Florida, New York, Texas, Illinois, and California haven't even VOTED yet, and yet the candidate is clear.

    And don't tell me Iowa represent the US. If they can vote for Mike Huckabee, who says the solution to everything is Jesus, they don't represent the rest of the country.
     

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