Nasl?

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by WestHamUtdFC, Aug 31, 2007.

  1. Steve Holroyd

    Steve Holroyd New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's really it, isn't it--and it's a point I've made once or twice, as have a few others.

    DCUDip wants to have it both ways...which is fine, but it puts him in a distinct minority--a minority which didn't, by the way, support the NASL (a league which introduced many of the gimmicks he wants) once the novelty of aging stars wore off.

    Again, I say to our friend: M-I-S-L. You'll enjoy it. ;)
     
  2. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    One thing however, that the NASL did not do was try and help the America player. I remember maybe only 2-3 Americans playing. those few players who did play did get good which was great for them however, they were just not enough. I think had the league continued things may have been different but some coaches in particular an English coach Peter Short absolutly hated American players. I think they didn't do much for the kids...
     
  3. Steve Holroyd

    Steve Holroyd New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You should check out a thread over in the MLS:N&A section--if you look at current numbers, MLS isn't playing a lot of Americans (or, better stated, as many Americans as before), either.

    You're right--there is no open hostility as in the NASL days. But MLS is less and less a league for American players, it seems.
     
  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I actually encourage the influx of foreigners to a point as they seem to add skills, flair and excitement as opposed to the American players. The detriment however, is that there end up being too many. You had Italy for the longest time only had a 2-3 foreign player limit and then you have Inter Milan playing with 11 different nationalities with no Italians…This didn’t affect Italy from winning the World Cup but I do see a problem in the works….
     
  5. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im just looking and showing at why soccer hasnt been successful and what can be improved......yes i like soccer very much, iam just as critical of the game as i am of DCU and as iam critical of my Washington Redskins, win or lose...... Cause i am a fan.. some thing in one area might work well and other might not work well,, the systematical structure of the european leagues wont work well in the US... ie playing MLS during Fall winter, it will not work..... Single table and no playoffs, will not work,(plaoffs determine Champions which none of the Euro leagues dont know how because all there playoff bound teams stop until the regular season is over) no offense but its true.,,, limited substitutions(if the NCaa can go with unlimited, then MLS can), why have 20 or 30 players on a team when you play the same eleven the whole game. plus i dont think a 2-3 second sub change is too drastic on the flow of the game, most of the time soccer dont have flow, ie faking fallers.

    stoppage time- the biggest joke of all time, when a game is close and on the line like a 1-1 game or something a two minute warning or something is needed, more scoring is needed, or at least atacking. stoppage time throws off the game big time cause you dont know what really the time is the stategy is rush or sloppy if there is any staegy at all.
     
  6. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We keep hearing that the league is only 12 years old and it needs time to grow. This is true to a point but I think that soccer in the USA would grow a lot more if it were to have something similar to the Champions League. The bottom line is this Superliga will not be a an option or viable league to league play. The CL especially in the last 10-15 years has become quite a show and also a money maker for many clubs , TV affiliates, leagues as well as sponsors. Wouldn't UEFA just love more American dollars and/or sponsorships to promote their showcase? Of course they would no doubt about it. As much as the soccer purists say it will not happen, I think we might see a day where their will be American clubs in CL/UEFA. Americans love the world stage and always have. If American clubs were to play and get far in one of these tournaments, I'm sure it would definitely help the MLS as well as promote the game in this country.
     
  7. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    I agree with you; play the game as it is. The changes that the NASL made didn't really do that much to make the game more exciting, or even to increase scoring; they just confused people who either weren't up on the rules or were new to the game.

    Leave the game alone; people will either like it or not, just like anything else. Those who like it, great, those who don't, oh well.
     
  8. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    if Uefa wanted more american savy or rating they would have played their games maybe more earlier or later time to satify the time zones here, or something that would be more favorable to americans, but they dont care about much for american maerket, as much as americans care for champions league..... champions league well the format doesnt really present a real champion, and doesnt not present a true playoff format...... also champions league has the previous seasons league champions which backs up my last statement. Champions league reminds me of college football bowl games, all flash and glitter but no true Champion... if the Champions league had more of a March madness feel and played over a month period not scatterd throughout the yr then it would make more sense in haveing a true champion.

    Move the final rounds of the FA Cups to one month back to accommodate the champions league for this where you have you league Champion and fA cup winner(or runner up in some cases) on level par, and both will have seeds in champions league. make champions league a single elimination of a very large double elimination breakdown to assure Cup winners and league Champion.
     
  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The only trouble with that is if you play it in the summer just before the start of the league season, then everyone will say they are out of form. If you play it at the end of the season, the big clubs will say they were tired. I however, also think the games should be played over a 2-3 month period but I doubt the UEFA clubs will go for it....In their eyrs UEFA is bigger than FIFA and the big clubs in each country, Man United, Liverpool, Milan & Juve , Bayern are all the leaders of the parade. Whatever they say usually is how it goes....
     
  10. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    well they should eliminate those summer games any way, Champions league and euro leagues should look at how ncaa hoops is set up, they hay 31 conferences each conference has a conference tournement and the conference regular season and tourney winner go to the field of 64+1, ofcourse its just a example..... it can be done, i think the euro folks stretch the season to make money, club soccer is played too long any 10 out of 12 months???? if the euro which i think they are trying to do is have a month break round december or so..... any way yeah give the Champions league a month by its self, or at least have the final sixteen or something......

    to me it would make better since to have it that way at the end ofthe soccer season and have all the fa cups determined before the tournement, similar to march madness each country has two entries one fa cup and 1 league regular season champion... the uefa is the soccer version of the NIT you should give those seeds to the 2 or third place in division 1 league play....
     
  11. LordRobin

    LordRobin Member+

    Sep 1, 2006
    Akron, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yessiree: good ol' NCAA wuss-ball. Unlimited substitutions and a break in the middle of each half, because all that running is just soooo tiring. Have you considered that the rest of the world isn't going to change their rules, even if we do? If we puss around with NCAA-style rules in MLS, it's going to put our players at a disadvantage when they move up to the international game.

    And I like the fact that the international game is the same game we play. Not like basketball, where the whole court looks different in the Olympics than in the NBA or NCAA.

    ------RM
     
  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I've listed this in several different NASL related threads just in case there are those who didn't get to see it. I figured if it weren't for Pele & the NASL we probably wouldn't be here today disccusing the MLS, the USWNT or USMNTor anything else having to do with soccer, for that matter.

    30 yeas ago this Monday Pele retired from soccer...
    Pele's farewell match was played on Saturday October 1st, 1977...The match was televised live on ABC TV's Wide World Of Sports. Pele played one half against his old club Santos and the 2nd half switched jersey's playing against the Cosmos. He scored in the 1st half on a free kick for NY.
    http://www.sover.net/~spectrum/year/1977.html

    http://www.nycosmos.com/cosmos/history.html
    http://www.amazon.com/Once-Lifetime-Extraordinary-Story-Cosmos/dp/B000GRUMZU

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  13. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Oscar Fabiani of the Tampa Bay Rowdies vs defender Dieter Versen of the San Jose Earthquakes (circa 1979)


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  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    for you Mike.....

    Dallas Tornado vs St. Louis Stars 1971

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    1975-1986 NASL & MISL SOCCER TEAM MEDIA GUIDES

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  15. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES-VINTAGE MAGAINE 1982-NASL
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  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The amount of disinformation and just plain wrong information in this thread is staggering.
     
  18. Steve Holroyd

    Steve Holroyd New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really? I thought this was just a photo album...
     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    What do you want a history lesson?

    Why not start here........
    NASL- A Complete Record of the North American Soccer League (Hardcover)
    by Colin Jose (Author)

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    I think pictures are worth a 1000 words! :D
     
  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That book is so overpriced on eBay, it's ridiculous. I found one a few years ago through an out-of-print bookseller in the UK and got it for about $30, IIRC. It's invaluable.
     
  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Does it talk about the league its players or is it just an encyclopedia?

    Just wondering.....
     
  22. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's got text outlining each season of the league and some sections on notable players and stuff. Lots of B&W photos and a color center section with some nice pics. For every team in every year there's a listing of the roster and all the scores and attendances and lineups, so as a reference work it's pretty good.

    Jose also came out with an NASL encyclopedia a few years back that was really disappointing in its content and production quality. It didn't even have the 1984 standings along with the others! It was the year-by-year stats for every player, ever (supposedly), but not a lot of them. It could have been done better.
     
  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They should have at least had the 1984 standings as they are still easier to find....
     
  24. Steve Holroyd

    Steve Holroyd New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't forget that Colin, bless his heart, pays NO attention to goalkeeper stats, so you need to access old media guides and stuff to try to piece that together.

    Kenn--I haven't spent a lot of time with the newer encyclopedia. Is it really that bad? It wouldn't be like Colin to leave out players...he is a stickler for detail that way.
     
  25. Steve Holroyd

    Steve Holroyd New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, while the standings may be easy to find, stats are very hard to come by for this year; when the league folded, a lot of the stats for 1984 went with it.
     

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