2007/2008 BVB General Discussion Thread [R]

Discussion in 'Borussia Dortmund' started by footyfan1, Aug 21, 2007.

  1. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just a thread for things that don't fall into match threads, injury threads, etc.
     
  2. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In response to a question at the BVB Official Site:



    Right now, I have to say our players look like they are suffering from the same problem our teams have for the past five years.

    Lack of heart, lack of fire and lack of pride.

    They seem scared to go in and FIGHT their opponents.

    They seem scared to go out and lay it all on the line for three points.

    They seem scared to believe in one another.

    They seem scared of backing up one another.

    And worst of all, they seem so afraid to lose. They try so hard not to lose, they don't go out and do what they have to do to win.

    What I am basically saying is that this team lacks courage and there is ZERO strong leadership on the pitch. None!

    If this were a NEW PROBLEM, I would not be so concerned, but again, this has been a problem for us for over FIVE YEARS NOW!

    Management seems afraid to address it! Either that or they are too blind to see it!

    Christian Woerns is as much of a leader as I am Mr. Universe! There is no way in hell that guy should be captain? What did they do, give it out by age?

    I think Weidenfeller, Kehl or Dede should have been captain when this season started and Frei should be captain once he returns!

    The players deserve most of the blame for what is going on right now and I only reserve a little bit of it for Doll.

    I think INCOMPETENT MANAGEMENT is the major problem in Dortmund.

    And when I say that, I mean the duo of Zorc and Watzke!

    I mean in a football sense. Without Herr Watzke's business sense, we would probably be bankrupt. I don't want him gone from the club, but I do wish he would stay the hell out of football operations!

    I want Herr Watzke to remain in charge of business and finance, but I want a Director of Football Operations to run the football side of the house. My main candidates would be Stefan Reuter (currently doing that job at 1860), Juergen Kohler, and Karl-Heinz Riedle.

    BTW, while I don't blame Doll for much of what is going on, he does share some blame. And if we don't beat Cottbus on Saturday, some people will start calling for Doll's head.

    And I'm certain I will be one of them.......
     
  3. russ99

    russ99 Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Chi-town
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    While I completely understand his potential and connections with Dortmund, Stefan Reuter leaving 1860 would be an absolute disaster for them. He's doing an incredible job with very little resources.

    I feel bad for you guys, and I hope BVB soon returns to it's former top level.
     
  4. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly why he's on my list! Dude, you guys have nothing to worry about. Nobody in BVB management or on the board is smart enough to try to make a move like that! :D

    And to be honest, I don't think Reuter would leave 1860 in this state.



    It won't happen without a management shake-up.....
     
  5. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    subscribing to this thread!!
     
  6. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude, you can click on a button at the top of the thread to do that now.
     
  7. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah, but I like to announce my presence with authority!!!




    Actually, thanks...I did not know that. :eek:
     
  8. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    LOL!! And I wish our punk ass team would finally announce their presence with AUTHORITY on Saturday!! :mad:
     
  9. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the other shoe has dropped. Today, the DFB Disciplinary Committee fined Roman Weidenfeller 10,000 Euros and suspended him for THREE MATCHES because of the incident during this past Revier Derby when Gerald Asamoah accused Weidenfeller of making a racist comment toward him.

    Asamoah accused Weidenfeller of calling him a "black pig". Weidenfeller says he did not use those words, but apologized to Asamoah after the match for whatever it was he said.

    Apparently BVB and the DFB made a deal that allows BVB to claim Weidenfeller was "cleared" of making a "racist" comment to Asamoah.

    But the DFB's official statement says that Weidenfeller was fined and suspended for making a "downgrading and reviling comment" to Asamoah.

    Sounds like he's f#cking guilty to me and I really don't like BVB management insulting my intelligence like this.

    I might not be the smartest SOB on the planet, but I sure as hell am not the dumbest.

    And get this. As a "dark-skinned" BVB fan, I don't have a freakin' problem with Roman Weidenfeller. He said some shit he regrets in the heat of battle. THAT, I can deal with.

    I don't like the f#cking management thinking I'm stupid enough to buy their bullshit statement trying to smooth things over. If the DFB fined Roman 10 grand and suspended him for three matches, I think Roman said something very hurtful and damaging.

    I just want the guy to pay the money, sit out the matches against Cottbus, at Rostock and against Bremen, think about what he did, make sure he doesn't do it again and come back stronger than ever.
     
  10. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. russ99

    russ99 Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Chi-town
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I know this is going WAY off topic, but it may spur some interesting conversation. Dortmund has long been my second favorite German team, and I like to play football manager games with them, when not playing with my favorite club, 1860.

    So I started a new game last week, with the "sugar daddy" cheat :p and went out and bought Koller, Ewerthon and Amoroso back to play the 4-3-3 again. Couldn't get Rosicky back - too expensive. So I'm currently after the Winterpause in the first season, leading the German first division! :eek:

    In a strictly hypothetical situation, would Dortmund have been better off the last two years and this current season if BVB held on to a few of those guys and not gone after Frey, Valdez, etc? Or am I just living in the past a bit too much? Also, I'm aware that those guys are getting to the end of their careers.

    What I'm also wondering is what led to the departure of such an impressive strikeforce. Was it simply a case of going out of contract and/or not being able to afford them, as in Rosicky's case or were there other factors at work?
     
  13. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    My apologies for misunderstanding you.

    I do know that a new trainer isn't always the answer. As I said, I believe we should have never fired Bert van Marwijk, but I have good sources who say Watzke wanted BvM out simply because he (Watzke) wanted his own guy.

    Trust me Uwe, I blame management, mostly Watzke, for this club's coaching/trainer situation more than I blame any of the coaches who have been here.

    I said this last season and I will say it again. I didn't think Doll was the long-term solution for BVB, I still believe that and he's showing it to be true.

    That being said, I also said that Doll WAS the man we needed for our situation last season! We needed someone to come in and get the team to believe in themselves again and Doll did that.

    THAT is what I give him credit for!!!

    But it is THIS SEASON, he's had to show that not only could he keep the team believing in themselves, he also had to show that he is the man to take the team to the next level AND HE HAS NOT DONE THAT!

    Hell, he hasn't even been able to keep them believing in themselves!

    Unlike Bert van Marwijk, management has gone out and gotten Doll some talent. However, Doll doesn't have the know-how and most of all, the attitude and mentality to LEAD these players!

    I have nothing against Thomas Doll personally. Hell, if I met the guy, I think we would be good buddies. I do think he knows the game! If Watzke wants to keep Doll around, fire Zorc and make Doll Sport Director. Believe it or not, I would have no problem with that!

    But what Borussia Dortmund needs is a LEADER on the bench. People will say, "Well, you had a leader in Sammer and you fired him."

    Yes, that is true. However, the LEADER we need also has to have some tactical knowledge or be allowed to hire a trainer to deal with tactics such as how Voeller and Skibbe and Klinsmann and Loew worked with the German National Team. Voller and Klinsmann were the bosses/leaders and Skibbe and Loew handled the tactics.

    We have only had one coach who was close to this since Ottmar Hitzfeld left. That was Bert van Marwijk.

    Trust me, I have told others that Doll can't be fired unless we have a decent solution to come in.

    Some want Volker Finke. I think Finke is done myself. One of my good friends accused me of having something against Finke, but if he came here and talked to Kyle, he would know I don't have anything against Finke, but I seriously believe he is finished as a head coach.

    But I think something that wouldn't be a bad idea is to bring Juergen Kohler in as team boss and someone like Finke to handle training and tactics. Hell, I'd take Finke as my new Director of Football Operations at BVB too, but just not as coach.


    I actually think Thomas von Hessen may have been the right guy, but WATZKE SURE F#CKED THAT UP, DIDN'T HE??!!


    This team needs leadership. I have said what I am about to say over 100 times, but I will say it again.

    If I were team president at BVB and had the backing of the board, I would tell Hans-Joachim Watzke that he can stay on as a VP In Charge of Business, Finance and Marketing, but other than OKing transfer fees, he would have nothing to do with the football side of the house. I think we definitely need a business guy like Watzke, but we also need him to stay the f#ck out of football operations.

    I would make Michael Zorc a special assistant to either me or Watzke and hire a new Director of Football Operations.

    My choices would be: Stefan Reuter, Karl-Heinz Riedle, Matthias Sammer (though I don't usually mention him because I don't think he would come back), Juergen Kohler, or yes, as I mentioned before, Volker Finke. This man would decide on a new head of scouting, reassess the youth program and hire a new coach for the Bundesliga side. This man, along with his coach, would also be in charge of transfers.

    This man would also not answer to Watzke, but directly to me as president of the club.

    I've said for a long time I think Borussia Dortmund does not need to "rebuild", but rather "restructure".

    As far as the players go, I think we have a good nucleus in place. We need some tough guys with some attitude and a playmaker.

    Hopefully, Nuri Sahin will develop into that playmaker. But what this team needs is a f#cking jerk the likes of Stefan Effenberg out there running the entire show.

    One player who the coaches would allow to accumulate red cards and show his teammates that sometimes you have to "bleed" to win matches and that you don't f#cking die from doing it!

    But who could we get?? These players don't grow on trees. The closest one I know of who a team might be willing to sell to us in the near future is Bremen's Leon Andreasen.

    Usually, I don't go so much with what the press says about BVB. However, lately, they've been using the word "Weichei Fussball" or "Cowardly Football".

    That is exactly what is wrong with this BVB team! We have a bunch of f#cking cowards on our team!

    If the opposition just tries to play a nice, finesse football match with BVB, we probably win. But if the other team comes out fighting and scrapping to win, eventually, our guys, wanting to play nice, timid, finesse football, get frustrated, stop playing and let the other guys win.

    That has to stop. Can a trainer do that? Yes, I think the right one can. But he also needs that jerk on the pitch. We've had it before in Dortmund. Hitzfeld had Sammer. Hell, he had Sammer, Kohler and Moeller for that!

    Sammer tried to get that player in Frings, but Frings decided he'd rather have Rosicky's job and alienated his teammates.

    I hoped Kehl would develop into that leader, but he hasn't.

    This is a problem we have to solve, but I think there will also have to be changes at the very top for Borussia Dortmund to become successful again.

    Just my opinion........ :cool:
     
  14. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goal.com reports that Juventus are interested in Florian Kringe.

    Story Here
     
  15. Borussia

    Borussia Member+

    Jun 5, 2006
    Fürth near Nuremberg
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What parallels between Watzke and our boss Rolf Königs! :eek: ;) In the meanwhile, Königs seems to have learned his lesson at least...


    Can't believe that.
     
  16. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Watzke is all powerful. I don't think he ever will learn his lesson until he has us where you guys are.

    I am sorry to put it that way, but it is fact.




    I can. Florian Kringe is no great player, but he plays with force and passion. If we had eleven players with Florian Kringe's attitude, we'd be a lot better off.
     
  17. gomezman78

    gomezman78 New Member

    Aug 15, 2007
    Missouri City, TX

    Couldn't agree more... I had never really paid that much attention to Kringe until this year. But he has without a doubt become one of my favorites, as well as becoming an actual leader on the team. That same attitude can be said for Tinga as well. He is definitely not the best of players, but he will be going strong for 90 minutes. If we had a team full of Kringe's and Tinga's we would be in good shape.
     
  18. Dagegen

    Dagegen Member

    Jul 16, 2007
    I agree on the part about Kringe.

    He is way underrated, he is nothing special, but with all the work he does, the will to win, he play with, that makes him more useful than a lot of players who get more media attention.

    And Kringe is nearly bothfootet, he is versatile and quite powerful.


    Still, I can't see him leaving to Juve. ;)
     
  19. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to today's Kicker (Monday), both Petric and Frei should see playing time in our match at Second Bundesliga club SV Wehen-Wiesbaden on Thursday evening.

    The match is the opener for SV Wehen-Wiesbaden's new stadium, the Brita Arena.

    Kickoff on Thursday is at 8:15 PM CET. The match might be televised on HR3.
     
  20. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  22. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's just a thought that crossed my mind. I know, reaching! :eek:
     
  24. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Dude, I wish we could try for him too, but I also think he's too flaky for the Bundesliga. Too quirky.

    I'd love for the club to be able to make a big time gamble on a player like him, but not on him.

    However, with all their Russian money behind them now, I woudn't be surprised to see Scheisse sign him....... :rolleyes:

    At least they can make him feel more at home by closing the roof for all home matches in the fall and winter! LOL!! :D
     
  25. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Comments from Doll on Amedick.

    I don't like them and right now, I don't like Doll a lot.......


    Talk With Amedick

    According to Doll, he had a “good conversation” on Saturday morning with Martin Amedick, who has seemingly sank from public view for a reason that isn’t evident at all. Obviously, the question is when will the defender, who has featured for BVB II in the Regionalliga, will get a bigger look with the professional team. “I cannot promise anything”, said Doll, “but Martin knows where he stands. He will push from behind.”
     

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