Your WCQ's Ideal Line-up?

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by vipnerd, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. vipnerd

    vipnerd Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2003
    La Mitad + Román
    Here goes mine:

    Carrizo
    Zanetti - Burdisso - Milito - Clemente
    Maxi - Mascherano - Leto
    Riquelme
    Messi - Crespo​


    Balance in midfield. With a LB and RB that can reach the endline, and that have enuff speed to recover into defensive duties. With a young left midfielder with dynamic and skill to push forward as a winger and to back up to defend. With a right midfielder who can trace back but that also has good ball control and out-side-the-box shot. With height in the opponent's box and magic dribbling on the right/left with Messi. With a playmaker that doesn't need to worry on chasing down midfielders but who has several "moving" options in attack for him to choose the "best" option. With a goalie that has shown character both on goal and on the sidelines. With two central defenders with experience, young enuff to work themselves as a duo for years to come. And with Mascherano, the heart of the NT.


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  2. bsas

    bsas Member

    May 27, 2004
    Switzerland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Where do I sign?... :cool:
     
  3. maxpepper

    maxpepper Member

    Jan 29, 2006
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Carrizo
    Zanetti - Burdisso - Milito - Heinze
    Maxi - Mascherano - dimaria
    Riquelme
    Messi/tevez/saviola/lavezzi - Crespo


    I'll put up a team for the Roman haters too

    Carrizo/Pato/whoever you want
    Zanetti - Garay - Milito - Heinze
    maxi-masche-gago-dimaria
    Messi/tevez/saviola/lavezzi - Crespo

    I pray for a new 9 everyday
     
  4. DiVo0oNeH

    DiVo0oNeH New Member

    May 20, 2007
    ----------------Carrizo
    Zanetti-----Garay---Demechilis------Arca

    ---------------------Mascherano
    ------------Gago

    ----Messi---------------Sosa

    ------------Saviola

    ------------------Pavone

    Useful bench: Di Maria, D'alessandro, Escudero, Leto, Maxi, Banega, Higuain, Aguero, Fazio, Gonzalo
     
  5. elbp

    elbp Member

    Feb 1, 2007
    Cordoba, ARG
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Carrizo*

    Zanetti - Milito - Demichelis - Clemente

    Maxi - Mascherano - Arca

    Messi/Tevez - Crespo - Tevez/Aguero



    That's it people. No enganche, no Riquelme, no Aimar, no bullshit. There was only one Maradona who played in times were football was different. This 4-3-3 is la posta. Comments:

    Defence: Zanetti is the Argentinian Maldini, always professional, committed and fit to play. If he stays away from injuries, he may well play in 2010. It's about time Milito develops into a world-class player and this includes playing consistently for the NT. I've always liked Demichelis although he hasn't been given his fair share of NT. Him being considered as replacement for Ayala is probably a long shot but I do hope that Vacile thinks of this as a long-term plan rather than out of desperation. Not many solid and consistent left-backs in the game. Heinze, despite his attitude and class, is not reliable. Both Sorin and Placente had their spells and and in either case, their time has passed. Grimi is too young and unproven, Arruabarrena (yeah, I like him) is waning, Zabaleta may be improvised but not too sure. I think Clemente Rodriguez could be important. He is small I know, but he is fierce, quick and now seems to be playing regularly. Besides, I think he is still fairly young. And he made it through 2 years playing in Russia. Talk about toughening up. Other potential inclusions are Pablo Alvarez and Arca (see below)

    Midfield: Mascha, as he is know in England, is the ONLY "intocable". He is the core, the nexus, the passion, the engine. He is THE man. As my team plays without enganche or playmaker, we need two fast attacking wingers that not only help Mascha out in the midfield but also get to link up with the guys upfront and to break into the box. Maxi showed he can do this in the last WC. And I think Arca is having the season of his life. I have seen him play for Boro and he, along with Rochemback, makes the difference. He deserves a shot. And he is playing at left midfielder/winger. That's way I'd have him there rather than as left back. My only worry is that this teams needs Mascherano to be a midfield general every game. Otherwise, the midfield is not watertight and then we'll have problems.

    Attack: 3 guys upfront a la Bielsa. Two open quick forwards (Messi or Aguero AND Tevez) plus the reference in the area. I also keep praying for more world-class centre forwards, but Crespo is still the man there and he's still got it. When I said that Mascha is the ONLY intocable, I really mean it. Messi is outstanding (the same goes for el Kun) and Tevez is the closest thing to Diego in terms of passion, effort and will but they are not intocables. When Messi plays for Barca wide open, he breaks havoc. As for Aguero, I haven't seem him much but even if he is not as quick as Lio, once he gets it going, he is unstoppable. But for me TEVEZ should start. You then throw Messi or Aguero to spice things up (a la Manu Ginobili in Spurs, as el revoltoso). Why Tevez must start? Simple, cos he ALWAYS shows up. He may not score or give a wonderful assist, but he never fail to give his 100%. We need two or three players like this (Zanetti, Clemente, Tevez, Mascherano).

    * I put his name down as he seems to be the whole package but any of the following could be a good bet for a long-term replacement of Abbondanfieri: Luchetti, Andujar, Montoya, and Romero (sorry but I think Ustari is overhyped and will be an eternal promise).

    Ok, that's my view. As I once said, we need to put the mystic back into this team. You will not achieve that by bringing flair players. You need to bring back the guys with "el cuchiiio entre los dientes" (sorry me salio el cordooobeee) to make up the base of the team. Then mix in the flair and those who make the difference.
     
  6. TKORL

    TKORL Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    5-4-1 with Demichelis as a sweeper.


    -----------------------Franco----------------------
    --------------Milito---Demichelis--Garay-------------
    -Burdisso-----------------------------------Cardozo-
    ------------------------Masc-----------------------
    ----Maxi------------------------------------Messi---
    --------------------Roman/Aimar--------------------
    -----------------------Saviola-----------------------
     
  7. vipnerd

    vipnerd Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2003
    La Mitad + Román
    I said a while back, that Lavezzi would end up being a better player than Carlitos ... it is time to say it again.

    Now Capello agrees with that ^^^


    Messi better start showing what he is made of in the NT, if not Pocho will soon bench him in my squad.


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  8. DiVo0oNeH

    DiVo0oNeH New Member

    May 20, 2007

    I could somehow agree with u depending on their performances, but then again Lavezzi can play anywhere!
     
  9. El viejo Matias

    May 21, 2005
    Canada
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I cant believe there is no love for Cambiasso out there. This guy works hard, has good positioning skills, distributes well, has adaquate defence skills, can come up and support offence, does play the wing if required and is an outstanding link man.:confused:
     
  10. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes he does have all these qualities but lately they've been non-exsistent. If he played recently with the NT like he did in Germany, I doubt anyone would have anything bad to say about one of the true team players in the game.
     
  11. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    TO play a 4-3-3 ala Barca you need midfielders who don't play through the middle but know how to distribute the ball and create plays. Barca has two of them Deco/Xavi playing at the same time. Argentina currently maybe has one player of that mold in D'Alessandro. If you're playing a 4-3-3 you need him.

    -----------Carrizo
    -Zanetti-Garay-Milito-Heinze
    ----------Mascherano
    ----Maxi---------------D'Aless
    -----Messi--Crespo--Tevez/Aguero
     
  12. Moishe

    Moishe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Mar 6, 2005
    Here there and everywhere.
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Here would be my ideal line-up to start qualifiers. As qualification progresses and we get a cushion, I'd replace some of these guys with some of the kids to give them exposure. None the less here it goes and I'll provide explinations afterwards.

    GK: Franco
    DF: Zanetti, Milito, Heinze, Ibarra
    MF: Mascherano, Banega, Aimar
    FW: Saviola, Tevez, Roman

    Keeper: El Pato is done and Franco earned his shot by virtue of seniority. Factor in that he's imho better than solid. Carrizo and Ustari have not shown as much consistency long term for me. Both make fine subs none the less.

    Defense: El Pupi is a lock. He's a hard working veteran that can play multiple positions. Milito and Heinze are the top of a very small pile of CB's for Argentina. That said I believe Heinze is much better playing inside and Milito has the talent just needs to mature as a defender. Ibarra was a wild card but he like Zanetti brings a great work ethic, veteran leadership, the ability to get push up and still get back on defense. He too can change sides defensively and most importantly has a brilliant understanding with Riquelme that adds another dimension to this side. As for subs, Demechilis, Burdisso, Palleta are all legit options.

    Midfield: Mascherano again is a lock to start every match. Banega is winning me over from Gago. Banega has shown more offensive prowess lately and is tenacious in his defending. Already he's been making less ticky tack fouls than he did a term ago. Gago on the other hand is not getting consistent enough minutes. Gago's lack of playing time is good for us in that we'll have a player that will know what it takes to come into a game late and make an instant impact. I chose Aimar due to his quickness and understanding with our attacking players and can rotate around the pitch helping to link up the attack. With our now veteran backline, his defensive role is not as important. Other sub options besides Gago are Cambiasso as I believe form and fitness will return over the SerieA season plus he's just a great team guy. Maxi too but I chose not to start him due to his consistent nagging injuries. I'd need to see some long term fitness to count on him. D'allesandro is a player I'd really like to see get a shot as well as never seeing Lucho in the side again.

    Forwards: Roman playing just behind the front two in the final third is obviously needed for this current side. I chose Saviola and Tevez due to their ability to find holes, pass and hold the ball. Both are mobile and unselfish and see the field infront of them very well. Coming off the bench would be Messi and Crespo and maybe Lavezzi. Messi to me at this time is more of a threat coming off the bench. He motor would exploit tired players which could be our dagger into the hearts of the opponents. Crespo while still has it, I like to see us figure out a way to not be dependent on a true #9. Truth is nothing is indicating we have a replacement for him so let's start moving forward.

    Sorry for the use of bandwidth:)
     
  13. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    I think this formation could really use a box to box player like Ledesma (Boca) who's having a brilliant season and has been brilliant for a while now. And he also provides a more defensive balance. Move Maxi to the left and Ledesma at right and it could be a great line-up.

    Carrizo
    Zanetti - Burdisso - Milito - Clemente
    Ledesma - Mascherano - Maxi
    Riquelme
    Messi - Crespo​
     
  14. rios

    rios Member

    Jun 9, 2006
    Club:
    Villarreal CF
    Ustari

    Burdisso G.Rodriguez Demechilis Clemente
    before Gonzalo recovers it can be Garay or Milito

    Gago Mascherano

    Messi Riquelme Maxi

    Crespo/Tevez/Saviola/Aguero

    Left hammer right anvil. Gago can do some distribution if the left side could not create real chances.
     
  15. TKORL

    TKORL Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    I like my 5-4-1
     
  16. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    no way argentina is going to play a 5-4-1 and that formation you just put
     
  17. TKORL

    TKORL Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    we would never get scored on!

    If you can't beat em, join em.
     
  18. vipnerd

    vipnerd Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2003
    La Mitad + Román

    Who is that left back Cardozo? :confused: Neri Cardozo? He is not a left back!



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  19. TKORL

    TKORL Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    Yeah, but isn't he left sided? It's an attacking LB position.
     

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