Barry > Lampard

Discussion in 'England' started by Multopolis, Sep 13, 2007.

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  1. Multopolis

    Multopolis New Member

    Feb 25, 2007
    Especially in Englands case, Barrys last two performances - MOTM against Israel, and close to it against Russia - have proven this. He is brilliant at playing simple football, he may not have the 30 yard thunderbolt that comes with Lampard or Gerrard but his range of passing and ability to handle pressure is out standing.

    If Mclaren knowns anything he'll start both Barry and Heskey in the next two qualifiers, if not it just proves that he is a wimp.
     
  2. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    Barry should stay, if for no other reason that he complements Gerrard a lot better than Frank ever could. But do you really think Second Choice Steve has the balls to bench Lampard in favor of Barry?
     
  3. jcsd

    jcsd Member+

    Jan 27, 2006
    I don't think Barry is a better player than Lampard, but Lampoard is such an attack-minded player asking him to perform any other role, but an attacking midfielder doesn;t work. Gerrard needs freedom to do his thing, which Barry gives him. Plus Barry is very versatile. At the moment I'd play Barry and Gerrard with Hargreaves and Lampard providing options on the bench.
     
  4. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Well Barry was certainly better than Gerrard;) But is Barry-Gerrard better than Barry-Lampard, or even Gerrard-Lampard in the same finally balanced lineup, that we do not know yet, Lamp would have at the very least likely have gotten some of those chances Gerrard muffed on target.:)

    Gerrard perhaps in part due to the toe and the little layoff was not very impressive by his or international standards, not saying bad just not very impressive and certainly not as good as Barry the last two matches.

    Gerrard and Lampard are both better day in day out than Barry but on England form at the moment Barry has certainly earned the right to be first center mf on the team sheet.
     
  5. User Name

    User Name New Member

    Jun 8, 2007
    England
    Just remember, he has yet to be tested against a top class midfield.
     
  6. JediMindTricks

    Jun 20, 2006
    Houston
    agree with both posts.

    but also, one thing to note about barry is that he's also a good pk taker. that will come in handy for england, you know.
     
  7. WorldNumber1Sport

    WorldNumber1Sport New Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    You state that Gerrard and Lampard are better than Barry in a day-2-day scenario, you need to clarify in which area that these players are better because Barry is far better than Lampard in a defensive capacity, as was proven last night with his constant tracking back and interceptions and would appear to have a more composed nature than Lampard because his passing in these two games has been way above anything that Lampard has produced for England. Barry played the role perfectly and Hargreaves also showed during the World Cup, that he too can perform the withdrawn midfield role very well, so those two should be competing for the same position, whilst Gerrard and Lampard compete for the attacking midfield role. Would Chelsea play Joe Cole in the holding role alongside Lampard? Would Man united play Scholes in the holding role alongside Giggs?

    For years, I have been waiting for an England manager to pick players in their correct position and to continue playing the players who are performing, with strong competition from the bench. Take this scenario; Wright-Phillips starts for England with the knowledge that David Beckham is on the bench waiting to take his position; Gerrard starts for England with the knowledge that Lampard is ready to pounce if Gerrard's performances slip; Owen and Heskey are starting matches with the knowledge that Wayne Rooney has a burning desire to get beck into that team; Micah Richards has Gary Neville breathing down his neck and Barry has Hargreaves and Carrick waiting for their opportunity to take his place. That is the competition for places that will get the highest performances for McLaren and in turn give us the best oppotunity at actually winning a trophy - for too many years players have picked for England based on reputation and at times it has been like watching individuals playing for themselves, rather than as a team unit and for the first time in a very long time, we now have a team ethic and competition for places and if McClaren can keep the players on their toes then he will gain the highest quality from these players.

    Greece won the European Championships and Denmark before them with neither team having a collective group of 'world class' players and this just goes to prove that 'teams' win trophies and if you can have a few gems within that team then this can only aid a teams potential.
     
  8. Footstomper

    Footstomper New Member

    Oct 4, 2004
    Frederick MD
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Why? Do you think that might be a weakness?
     
  9. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
     
  10. JediMindTricks

    Jun 20, 2006
    Houston
    perhaps.

    you never know. :)
     
  11. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Google England's last two major tournaments.
     
  12. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Google sarcasm.
     
  13. schafer

    schafer Member+

    Mar 12, 2004
    What was most impressive about Barry's performance IMO wasn't that he showed any great range of passing above and beyond what the other central midfield players England are capable of, but that he played the ball quickly, as did Gerrard to his credit in the last 2 matches. It seems like Lamps, Carrick and even Hargreaves to an extent often take too many touches and it kills the attack. Not that they aren't capable of playing like Barry did, but the fact that he's the only one who's shown the necessary urgency in possession is what made him stand out, IMO.

    That being said, I think maybe a tad too much is being made of the defensive performance yesterday of the midfield. On Russia's disallowed goal a midfielder drifted in unmarked into a great scoring opportunity, I think maybe if Hargreaves is out there, that player is tracked and the danger is cut out. Certainly not a major point, but I still think Hargreaves is preferable against teams with a stronger central midfield than Russia, but I could be wrong.
     
  14. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Good points, but to further beat to death:Done of my points on these two matches, Barry, not to take anything away from his impressve performence, had the luxury of choosing to pass to a healthy Owen, a big physical target man who did not crowd the midfield, a very fast right winger who actually played on the right wing, a healthy, quick and dangerous Joey Cole, who was where he was supposed to be and drifted inside judiciously as well, a fast and powerfull full back all in a well balanced side. And to his credit McSven did push the tempo and press defensivly.

    I think Barry's performence earns him and Gerrard the start against Estonia and Russia again but far too early to pencil him in against Italy, Portugal, Holland, Germany or even Croatia etc.
     
  15. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Lampard is not in the same class as Gerrard. Lampard has had a wide variety of midfield partners and never fully convinced with any of them.

    He still has a strong part to play I'm sure, but not as a first choice starting XI player when everyone is fit. Just not dynamic enough on or off the ball.
     
  16. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    im a lamps 'hater' but u cant forget 04 and his goals for 06 qualification

    they are 2 diff players, but barry suits playing alongside a superior player in gerrard more than lamps does
     
  17. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Bah. This is the internet, gotta at least put a wink or something in there for me, mate.
     
  18. Multopolis

    Multopolis New Member

    Feb 25, 2007
    I personally can't see Barry staying in central midfield if both Hargreaves and Lampard are fit. having said that, i can see Barry having a wider role to accomodate his needs or he could even be a part of three central midfielders, either way theres no way he should be dropped.
     
  19. JediMindTricks

    Jun 20, 2006
    Houston
    i do wonder if mcclaren will have the balls to keep barry in the lineup and bench hargreaves and lampard when they're healthy.

    i can also see barry playing in a three man central midfield but not in a lm/wide role. but i think he's too slow to be playing out wide in international play.
     
  20. garethchelsea

    garethchelsea Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    Lewes, UK
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    don't any of you notice that lampard is much better than gerrard if you sall care to take notice but everyone says "oh lampards s**t he cant cscore gerrard is much better he can score meh meh meh" but if u consider the facts lampard scores for england only 9 mintues in against GERMAY wereas gerrard 2 matches without lampard doesnt score and does f**k all he mucked up so many chances and tryed 3 smashers from long range and all went mile over/wide also i call his shooting style smash and hope (and pray to god several times) because thats all he does just smashes and sees if it goes in like the one against middlesbrough few years back didnt even look and jsut smashed it and luckily went in the top corner.

    also may i draw your attention to the fact that lampard scored 22 goals last season and gerrard scored like 5 so i rest my case.

    2 more htings hardgreaves and lampard have never really been tried together because s***ty stevie is picked all the time instead.

    Gerrard and Lampard unrelated stuff.
    does anyone think that bridge should be put instantly bacjk into the england squad and starting XI when back from injury as he is far superior in ability to
    CAshley cole (oh yeah i hate him)
     
  21. Alan_V

    Alan_V Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    Anaheim, CA via NJ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't say I've watched much of Villa so I can't comment much on how Barry has played, but he was noticable enough to get called into the side, so he must be doing something right. What I did see was 2 of the classiest displays I've seen from a midfielder in a very long time. Up there with what one is used to seeing from Scholes, amongst others.

    Heard a rumor that he showed up with his arms all bruised form pinching himself. Talk about a dream come true. :D
     
  22. Multopolis

    Multopolis New Member

    Feb 25, 2007
    I think that you find Lampard is better for Chelsea where as Gerrard is better for England. The reason Lampard scores so many goals is that he almost plays striker for Chelsea, always lurking outside the box and relies on Makelele and Essien to do his defending. Gerrard on the other hand is infrequently used in central midfield and plays a lot down the right wing for Liverpool.

    As for Gerrards shooting, will its very similar to Lampards. Both can go games where they can't get anything on target or produce unbelievly goals, to say that Lampard is better than Gerrard in this department is competley biased.

    And to answer your question, Ashley Cole deserves his place for now. What has he done to derserve to get dropped?
     
  23. Multopolis

    Multopolis New Member

    Feb 25, 2007
    Barry has been a consistent performer for Villa for quite some years now, its ridiculous that it takes a solid England performance for the media to realise that hes actually half decent. Its rather fortunante how Mclaren stumbled across this winning formula, lets just hope he has the balls to stick with it.
     
  24. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree Barry is better for what England wants out of both players

    I only see Lampard fitting into a 4-2-3-1. Which I think England should try with Rooney out and Owen revived
     
  25. JediMindTricks

    Jun 20, 2006
    Houston
    but where would you play lampard in a 4-2-3-1? as one of the two midfielders in front of the defense? he can't play out wide in that lineup. or would you play him in front of gerrard as the attacking midfielder behind the striker.
     

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