Saint Louis University(SLU) Coaching Performance Poll

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  1. slu1818

    slu1818 New Member

    Aug 2, 2006
    St Louis
    A good amount of time has been spent discussing the capabilities and success of the current staff depending on which side of the fence one is sitting on. This is about as scientific as I can get instead of bashing each other on the SLU thread. Here are some things to consider as you cast your votes.
    • Leadership ability of coaches
    • What in your mind is a successful collegiate program etc
    • Past and current performance of teams
    • Past and current performance of coaches
    • Team unity and dynamics of player to coach
    Vote
    Over the top coaching staff
    Above Average
    Average
    Below Average
    Get the bums out of town
     
  2. Branko Segota

    Branko Segota Member

    Feb 24, 2003
    Danny does a great job. Maybe we should do a poll on the under achieving players. The coach puts them on the field; the kids adapt and based on thier performance either win or lose the match.
     
  3. size5ballz

    size5ballz New Member

    Nov 17, 2006
    Branko not so easy more to coaching then your statement.
    Defenition of coach;
    Motivator and teacher of athletes. Ideally, a coach is a moulder of theoretical and practical training, and translator of technical information:
    Are these qualities present in the coaching staff?

    Most top-class sports people have a coach or instructor to help them improve their performance and reach their full potential. Good coaches act as motivators and teachers. Ideally, they should be able to convey both theoretical understanding and practical instruction, and they should be sympathetic to the requirements of those they coach.

    The way a coach or instructor works varies greatly. It usually reflects the coach's personality, ability, and experience, as well as the nature of the work, and the aspirations and personalities of those being coached.

    The popular image of the coach, stereotyped by todays society, is often of a person who strives for excellence and fitness, and who presents a tough inflexible front to his charges. Studies by sports sociologists have supported this image that many coaches are dominant; they are able to express aggression easily; they are not very interested in the dependency needs of others; and they are autocratic, often requiring unquestioning obedience (Bill Parcells) However, it is unclear whether this pattern of behavior is a true reflection of personality or an attempt to act out the role imposed by society. Other studies have also shown that coaches do not differ from other people in the way and extent to which they exploit situations and people. These studies showed that coaches exhibit a whole spectrum of behaviors, ranging from the autocratic described above, to the democratic, maintaining an open dialog with their athletes about all aspects of their coaching.
    Does the last sentence describe any situations at SLU?
    Whatever behavioral style the coach adopts, most sports psychologists agree that compatibility between coach and athlete is a critical factor in the success and satisfaction of the athlete and the team that they are on.
    Is this present at SLU?
     
  4. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006

    Is this average for college in general or for SLU.

    DD is probably an average coach when compared to the rest of Div I, but as far as SLU and what fans expect out of the program he just isn't there.

    His three downfalls are:
    that he cannot recruit locally - when the area's best talent continually goes elsewhere something is wrong - (what does IU have over SLU? - besides a better program/coach)
    that he fails to create team play and
    that he has no idea how to recruit/train/develop a keeper


    SLU hasn't advanced in the playoffs in since 2003. The players come and go but the only constant has been the coach - I think the underachieving is squarely on his shoulders.

    Remeber, his first season was 2001, so the 2002 and 2003 playoff runs were with players he inherited. Once the players he recruited reached the junior/senior level (normally the leaders) things crumbled.

    Even some of those playoff runs in the early 2000's ended on poor keeper play.
     
  5. slu1818

    slu1818 New Member

    Aug 2, 2006
    St Louis
    In sports and business AVERAGE SUCKS. It is not tolerated and is wiped out by Senior Management or Board of Directors if the organization is dynamic and delivers fairly to it's shareholders or in SLU case alumni or future alumni. I have hope and honestly would welcome a mentor figure that can step up and work behind the scenes. Someone needs to keep on eye on the situation more closely.
     
  6. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    I know one thing. This poll sucks.

    Now there are two forums (The SLU Forum & this Poll Forum) for nutjobs to complain about SLU's coaches. The only folks who would even think to complain about SLU's Coaching Staff are oldtimers out of touch with reality, disgruntled players and those folks that have nothing to do with SLU that follow other schools but love to tear down SLU. This is a real scientific exercise.
     
  7. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    What do you know about sports or business?
     
  8. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    You forgot the people that want to see top quality soccer played at the university they love. People that understand tradition and want to see it continue rather than accept excuses for mediocracy.
     
  9. wolf2018

    wolf2018 New Member

    Dec 7, 2006
    i remember back in the day when SLU was always ranked in the top 10 with so many local players, it was like playing Busch... they need to get the good local players again with a few other top players around the country... it should not be that hard... it's SLU...
     
  10. slu1818

    slu1818 New Member

    Aug 2, 2006
    St Louis
    Tom I sent you a private message. Just Trust Me a lot more then you can believe. No reason for you to behave this way
     
  11. size5ballz

    size5ballz New Member

    Nov 17, 2006
    Humm Tom it appears it was your own suggestion from SLU Forum

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saintlouisrooki
    Unfortunately, this thread gets a bit testy because many individuals like to come in and cause some chaos. Also, there are many different individuals with different opinions. It happens...anyways....what does everyone think of a score tonight? I am thinking 2-1 result....SMU

    Quote: Posted by soccertom
    I/we welcome anyone in this thread at any time. I only ask that you come in with a civil attitude with real ideas which discuss SLU soccer, college soccer or even soccer in general. If you want to bash Donigan (if you want start a fire Donigan thread of your own and watch it fizzle and die), his staff or just stir up some crap than please go elsewhere.
    As far as the game tonight with SMU I'm unsure of it's turnout. I would not be surprised with a range of results like a 3-0 win for SMU or a 1-1 tie or a 3-0 win for SLU.
     
  12. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Sigh.

    Does anyone pay any attention before they post? Sometimes I just want to jam a pencil in my eye rather than read the bullshit that comes across this boards.

    ***NEWS FLASH to wolf2018*** SLU is still being ranked in the top 10 usually year in and year out with many local players.

    Here are SLU Season Ending Rankings from the SoccerTimes Coaches Poll from 1997 through 2006.

    1997: 4th in the Nation. Record of 17-5-3.
    1998: 16th in the Nation. Record of 14-5-1.
    1999: 4th in the Nation. Record of 16-3-2.
    2000: 15th in the Nation. Record of 11-3-2.
    2001: 6th in the Nation. Record of 18-2-1.
    2002: 14th in the Nation. Record of 15-4-2.
    2003: 6th in the Nation. Record of 15-4-3.
    2004: Not Ranked @ end of season. Record of 9-8-1.
    2005: Not Ranked @ end of season. Record of 9-5-5.
    2006: 12th in the Nation. Record of 13-4-2.

    All of the above SLU teams were stocked with St. Louis homegrown players. Usually SLU has 5 to 8 Saint Louis area players in their starting line-up. This year is no different as SLU will start anywhere from 5 to 8 Saint Louisians.

    Now in 2007 I expect SLU will be among the Nations top 5 or 6 teams. Come see for your self beginning tonight and on Saturday night. SLU meets # 2 ranked Indiana on Saturday. SLU will defeat # 2 Indiana. Mark my words. :)
     
  13. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Huh? I'm not forgetting anything. I'm laughing at your absurd post. :D If anyone understands SLU's proud tradition it's me. I have news for you. SLU's soccer tradition is alive and well. Pull yer buried head from deep outta yer ass and wake up.
     
  14. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Does four times in ten years constitute "usually?"

    I mean, you said they were usually ranked in the Top Ten then showed as evidence a series of polls where they "usually" weren't ranked in the Top Ten. Not sure how that helps your case.

    To me, it's more evidence of the "mediocracy" referred to above. Hell, the "mediocracy" is so prevalent that SLU fans invented a word for it.:eek:
     
  15. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Oh my. Oh my oh my oh my oh my. Oh my. Get a clue. You are completely out of touch with reality.

    Dan Donigan recruited all of the SLU players during Bob Warming's tenure. All of the players on the 2000, 2001, 2002, teams were Donigan recruits. Warming didn't recruit. Donigan did. Donigan even recruited playes back to SLU from Connecticut (Kevin Kalish & Jeff DiMaria) where he recruited them originally while an assistant @ U-Conn.

    Facts are important. Learn them. Know them. Live them. :p
     
  16. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Sandon, Try not to sound like an idiot. I know you aren't one.

    During those years when SLU didn't finish in the top 10 at the end of the year they were ranked in the top ten during that particular year. When they finished 15th or 16th I consider that for conversations sake around a top ten team.

    Sometimes for a smart gut you say some stupid shit.

    Any reaonable individual will undertand what I'm saying. Hell some teams, most teams never see the light of the top 10 teams in the country.

    SLU gets in the Top 10 nearly every year. That's all I'm saying. Period.
     
  17. Branko Segota

    Branko Segota Member

    Feb 24, 2003
    I still say the kids will win you games and loose you games. You can 9-9 at SLU and they will not drop the sport or kick the kids off the team. They will fire the coach. You can be the best manager of the players, but if you are counting on him to motivate the players to play D-I soccer (???) you have the wrong kids. And again, they will win or loose you games.
     
  18. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999

    1997: 4th in the Nation. Record of 17-5-3.
    1998: 16th in the Nation. Record of 14-5-1.
    1999: 4th in the Nation. Record of 16-3-2.
    2000: 15th in the Nation. Record of 11-3-2.
    2001: 6th in the Nation. Record of 18-2-1.
    2002: 14th in the Nation. Record of 15-4-2.
    2003: 6th in the Nation. Record of 15-4-3.
    2006: 12th in the Nation. Record of 13-4-2.

    In other words if you add up the finishes and then divide by the number of seasons above SLU's Average National Finish for the years shown above is...

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    10!

    Yes SLU averages out to a perfect # 10 finish on average. I must be a genius...
     
  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    But he's the one picking those kids - if they are wrong its still his fault.
     
  20. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006

    Hmmm, you forgot to average in the mid 30's of 2004 and 2005.
    That damn new math ;)
     
  21. flatback4

    flatback4 New Member

    Nov 5, 2006
    St Louis
    That HURTS ouch!!! "moma always said life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you gonna get"
     
  22. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Momma also said, stupid is as stupid does...
     
  23. flatback4

    flatback4 New Member

    Nov 5, 2006
    St Louis
    Be careful this looks like it's your own doings :D
     
  24. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    We all know most of the negative votes are from folks that like to hate on SLU. The poll mean less than ZERO.
     
  25. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
    Nope. I didn't forget anything.

    Geniuses like me consider dem dere years to be complete aberrations. I toss out aberrations as they skew the data.
     

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