All Real Crime in North Carolina Ended!

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by MasterShake29, Sep 11, 2007.

  1. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    This makes me extremely angry.

    In other words, the North Carolina government raided a home poker game. I wonder how many murders, rapes, and burglaries were occurring while this was going on.

    And how can Chris Bell live with himself while possessing gaming tables? Give him the death penalty!
     
  2. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Theyre afraid of Lacrosse players now, so they are aiming for less frightening prey.

    Did the cops steal the till? Thats what they would have done in the golden age of law enforcement.
     
  3. DamonEsquire

    DamonEsquire BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 16, 2002
    Kentucky
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    Leeds United AFC
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    Each state varys but in Kentucky where gambling is prohibited (it still might take two decades to gerts some casinos away from Indiana). You have to get permission when amounts excede a limit. I think its under ten thousand dollars but each can look it up on states website. The reason is because its against the law to distribute money without the Federal Governments knowledge. The reason its federal is becasue sledom does the state collect and federales not. Both needs documentation on that aspect. Just like when you buy a car whether you make payments or cash options. Once $9,000.00 is reached the IRS is notified. Supposedly I don't really know though. ITs the same with Poker. You just have to obtain permission. Parents have played in a 100 person tournament before but the bar owner had to obtain permission. I think the fee was $10. or so...
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    They arrested 71 people. That's one big ass home.

    I'll finish by pointing out that libertarians are deluded fanatics who don't realize they are deluded fanatics, and that's why we laugh at them. It's one thing to think the law should be changed, but when someone breaks the law to the tune of having a restaurant set up, and 70+ people there, the damn cops OUGHT to raid it. Cuz things like that are magnets for serving alcohol to people who are already drunk, they are magnets for drug sales, and they are magnets for armed robbery.
     
  5. HSEUPASSION

    HSEUPASSION New Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    Duck, NC
    Well done to the ALE, what a fine bust!

    And we aren't scared of lacrosse players, they got beat up at Cook Out.

    I bet Easley is watching an old VHS tape of the 1994 Coca-Cola 600 on the TV they took right now.
     
  6. wallacegrommit

    Sep 19, 2005
    None of which are crimes investigated by the ALE agency.
     
  7. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Either there are too many cops or they are mis-tasked. What is needed is to start firing them until there is enough public safety work to keep those remaining busy. Somebody needs to put a Stake 'n ALE.
     
  8. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    It is a big home (I guess), but so what?

    If you believe that they should have been raided simply because it's the law, then that's embarassing.

    As to the more specific objections: serving alcohol to drunk people is fine if you can prevent them from driving, drug sales should be legal anyway, and they wouldn't be magnets for armed robbery as much if they weren't illegal.

    So the ALE doesn't investigate real crimes? Then they should be disbanded, and the money either returned to the taxpayers or given to real police who investigate real crimes.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    You called it a home poker party, conjuring up images of Oscar Madison and his pals sitting around a table. That was bullshit on your part. Not exactly unprecedented for you, but still bullshit.

    I don't think that. I think they should have been raided because this wasn't a guy and his pals downing beers while playing dollar ante poker. This was a criminal enterprise.

    That's great if you're living in the kind of semi-anarchic state you crave, but which you refuse to move to. But this is the United States of America.

    This was a real crime you dipshit. If wishes were horses, you'd have a ********ing stampede.
     
  10. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    "They got a word for people like you, Hi. It's called Re-cid-ivism."

    "Repeat Offender."

    "That's one bonehead name sir, but that ain't me anymore."

    "You're not just sayin' what we want to hear are you, Hi?"

    "No, sir."

    "'Cause we just wanna hear the truth."

    "Well, then, I guess I am telling you what you want to hear."

    "Boy, didn't we just tell you not to do that?!?"
     
  11. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    And I'd add that statists are in fact the fanatics that are in charge and are deluded by the fact that they think they can control the behavior of everyone with the force of govenrment. What makes them really dangerous is that they actually have the power to implement the whims of whatever currently makes them angry/upset/indignant. Too bad we can't just laugh at them. But we must pay for their statist control of our lives with our money, soldiers lives, and our freedom.
     
  12. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    People who raid 71 person, $70k "home" poker games hate our troops?
     
  13. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    Yes! That's exactly what I said!
     
  14. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    No, you conjured up an image in your head that didn't match what happened here. That's not my fault. Some home games are that size.

    Who was the enterprise committing crimes against? Who was harmed?

    Explain how this was a real crime, other than the law said so, because laws can say lots of stupid things.
     
  15. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    I must have missed something here - breaking the law isn't a crime?
     
  16. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    This seems like great execution of a stupid law.
    Rock on ALE. Suck it NC legislature.
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    We do NOT think we can control their behavior. If we could control it by passing laws we wouldn't need jails.

    And, again, I must point out the delicious irony of a guy complaining about the state raiding a criminal enterprise being the same guy who complains about the Army Corp of Engineers. Like alot of weak libertarians, he is a libertarian in theory, but he's as big of a whiner as Jesse Jackson when it's his ass on the line.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    "Home game" is a phrase that has a meaning. If you think it simply means a game that happens in a home, that's fine, but most people understand that to be the kind of thing my brother in law does. Or did, I'm not sure. A few guys get together once a week, nobody runs the game for a profit, a few bucks change hands. You're being disingenuous. You threw the phrase out there, not me, and don't pretend you didn't know what you were doing. You're not a wise man, but you're a very clever man. Don't play dumb. It doesn't suit you.

    Asked and answered.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    It's only a crime if libertarians like the law. :D

    I would point out, I didn't read Matt's, ahem, link, because I read the original article in the damn local paper.
     
  20. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    With an average of $1000 per person in the "pot"? That surpasses my interpretation of "home game". At what point do you think a "home game" becomes, well, something else?

    Difficult to say. Often games are fixed in underground gaming. That's the whole point of gaming regulation - to ensure that the gamblers are playing in fair games.

    I'm not sure how something qualifies as a "real crime", if being in violation of the law doesn't count.

    These laws are in place for a reason. Now, maybe a 71 person "home game" out in the middle of nowhere with $70k of cash on hand really was on the level. It'd be the exception, not the rule.

    This is the classic libertarian take on regulation. You guys seem to think that absent regulation, people will still "play fair". If there's money to be made, that isn't the case, and you merely have to open a history book to see that. Sometimes "grey" situations like this one get caught up in the regulatory rules. Well, that's the price we have to pay if we want regulatory protection.

    This wasn't 4 Joes sitting around a table playing a $10 buy-in game. 71 people is half your damn MonkeySphere. There is no way these people were all his friends.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Now that I've read the article, even this slanted version doesn't say it was a home game. That was something Matt came up with all on his own. It happened in a "building."

    Again, it was a criminal enterprise, not some guys getting together to have some fun and shoot the shit.
     
  22. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Boy, you ain't kiddin'.

    Yeah - just your typical "home game". It gets better.

    This sounds like exactly the kind of "home game" these laws were designed to target.
     
  23. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to ask - were you given a citation, Matt?
     
  24. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    So, they DID take the till, just like in the golden days of law enforcement. At least the deputies didnt stick it in their own pockets. (or, not all of it at least. What are the odds that there were really $120, 000 in play?) So, thats progress at least.

    Im sure the state will be far more willing to drop the charges than to return the money. There are still a few glaring patches of courthouse wall which remain shamefully un-paneled.
     
  25. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    It clearly wasn't a home game. It clearly was an illegal poker room. It sounds like it was a pretty high stakes room as well which is pretty rare. Everyone and their mother can open a small stakes room as there are tons around Houston....

    It doesn't sound like there was any craps or blackjack going on at the time of the raid or that would have been mentioned.

    As someone who participates regularly in illegal games here in Houston...let me say the following:

    The laws are stupid and any state that outlaws casinos or poker rooms but have the lottery or horse racing are stupid. Be consistent (no gambling) and that is fine with me if that is the decision. Personally I disagree with the laws, obviously. But my guess is that NC is involved in the lottery in some capacity.

    Liquor enforcement agencies raid poker rooms more than anyone else. My guess is that they deserved to get raided because this high end poker room served alcohol to its patrons.

    With regards to the argument that poker rooms like these are known for armed robbery/drugs...these are more reasons to legalize, permit and drive places that do that shit out of the market. Instead we keep them underground and there are risks associated with them. That being said, I have never been to a game where I have seen drugs change hands though one guy playing a game was high as a kite. Armed robbery is a bigger risk obviously, thank god I haven't been to a game that was robbed though.
     

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