Bush knew Iraq did not have WMDs

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Century's Best, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    So after years of tragedy after tragedy, dozens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians (not to mention the refugees), and thousands of dead and thousands more of horribly injured US troops... billions of money spent for this quagmire that is worse than Vietnam...

    Comes the revelation that the President who launched this imperialistic war knew that the Iraq of Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction.

    Read the link.
     
  2. BigGuy

    BigGuy Red Card

    Apr 12, 2007
    If he knew it and it could be proved.

    The democrates would have him impeached it has not happen yet.
     
  3. DamonEsquire

    DamonEsquire BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 16, 2002
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    So if you don't educate people and you start putting very expensive engines into sub-orbital launch vehicles. That could also cause damage. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/w80.htm something like that. But this is even better, so its speculation if you guide the links to Iraq. Something was there but its not there now. NOR has it been authentucated on what was there. So if there was something there n pictures and nobody claims anything is there. There is a learning gap which none wnats to teach. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/index.html
     
  4. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    If there was video evidence of Bush kidnapping Madeleine McCann and a signed confession saying he did it, the Democrats still wouldn't impeach. They are completely without balls.
     
  5. Samarkand

    Samarkand Member+

    May 28, 2001
    And the RightWingnuts would be howling that there was no underlying crime and if we waited 6 months, everyone would see that he was right.
     
  6. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
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    Salon: Purveyor of distilled truth.

    Just like Dasani.

    Tap water purified 7 times.
     
  7. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    indianapolis
    According to Andrew Card, Bush still thought there were WMD's in 06. I'm not sure which is worse...
     
  8. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
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    According to Orson Scott Card, Andrew Card doesn't know how to end the game.
     
  9. BigGuy

    BigGuy Red Card

    Apr 12, 2007
    No they would have donr it. Who knows if the evidence is really there it not to late to impeach.
     
  10. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
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    Of course we can all speculate that Bush knew whether or not WMD's really existed in Iraq, but these witnesses don't do enough to really prove it. Until there's something on paper, notes to Rummy or an internal memo that leaks, this is pretty much old news.
     
  11. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    indianapolis
    It really comes to the historical question of Bush: incompetent, evil, or both.
     
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    Well those things just don't exist. Just because Bush was told the truth doesn't mean that he knew that as the truth. It's more than incompetence but it's less than evil - it's willful disregard.
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    So, a CIA official said that Iraq's foreign minister gave the USA documents that proved that Saddam had no WMD's. I wonder, how can documents prove something like that? Could such documents be trusted, and could they not possibly be seen as an attempt at missinformation by Iraq?

    Obviously in retrospect we can say that based on the fact that no WMD's were found, there must have been a serious intelligence failure on this matter, or perhaps a serious missinterpretation of intelligence. It is also possible that there was missinformation by the administration. Certainly we can speculate about the motives for going into Iraq and about the possibility of manipulation of intelligence.

    But, isn't it a stretch for Salon to say that 'Bush Knew that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction'? Even if they have proof that an official in Saddam's government sent some sort of paperwork, how does that constitutes proof that President Bush knew that Saddam had no WMD's?

    I wonder, how do you prove with documents that a country has no WMD's? Especially when it is a country that had used chemical weapons in the past.

    It would be interesting to see the actual documents.
     
  14. heybeerman

    heybeerman Member

    Aug 2, 2001
    Chicago Burbs
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    OK, I take those documents and raise you "curveball" an Iraqi taxi driver.
     
  15. Yankee_Blue

    Yankee_Blue New Member

    Aug 28, 2001
    New Orleans area
    Ahem. the proper term is that "it doesn't rise to the level of impeachable offense".
     
  16. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    I totally agree with this. It's not that he made a conscious decision to lie; rather he simply ignored what didn't fit into his warped little world view.
     
  17. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
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    I think this type of logic reigns supreme here. :eek: :D

    Can you prove a negative? (or a WMD in Iraq?)

    http://graveyardofthegods.com/articles/cantprovenegative.html

    http://www.bloomu.edu/departments/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf

     
  18. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

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  19. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
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    The fact that there are documents, various documents, coming to the surface that suggested there might *not* be WMD, and that Saddam was *not* in cahoots with Al-Quada indicate that the president and his minions lied, a lot, to get us into the war.

    When they talked about how everyone supported the intelligence, how there were no doubters in the various agencies within the intelligence community, about how there was unanimous support of the belief that WMD existed, they were all lies.

    Too bad the news media can't seem to get beyond reporting what other people say.
     
  20. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
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    the problem is in the premise: if unicorns exist, there is evidence in the fossil record. this is a completely reasonable premise, but it cannot be assumed absolutely true.

    you cannot establish a substantive proof with a premise that may or may not be true.
     
  21. daisrael

    daisrael Red Card

    Sep 20, 2006
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    Wow. Thank you, I didn't get what he was trying to say there either.
     
  22. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
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    To him and his BushCo masters: BOTH!!!!!!!!!!
     

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