USA-Brazil [Wizards thread] [R]

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  1. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eddie, Davy, and Kerry are all on the bench to start the game today.

    Former Wizard Josh Wolff is starting though.
     
  2. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Johnson on for Wolff in the 70th after it looked like Wolff got dragged down with a non PK call.
     
  3. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Davy gets a cap. comes on for Pearce.
     
  4. Unorthodox Yank

    Feb 27, 2001
    Constant Flux
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hell Yeah, Davy!
     
  5. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    davy earns the corner
     
  6. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4-2 final.

    Davy brought what you'd expect him to bring with his hustle. I thought 4-2 flattered Brazil a little bit.
     
  7. IowaBoy

    IowaBoy Member

    Jul 23, 2003
    Des Moines
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence. I'm proud of how we played, but completely unsatisfied at how it'll look in papers around the world. An own goal, a goal off a FK on a very questionable foul, a missed PK call for the US, and an injury time PK goal for Brazil...not a dominating performance by Brazil at all.

    We looked good for the majority of the game IMO, and am happy with our overall performance.

    Watch, Mexico will beat them and Mexitrolls will be even more unbearable than normal...:rolleyes:
     
  8. t.z0n3

    t.z0n3 New Member

    Oct 14, 2005
    Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Davy did us proud. Nice job to him.

    I didn't see much of Johnson, even though he was on for longer... that could be good or bad. The few times I did see him, he was okay-ish.

    Better from the Nats. Like the Wizards complement this game had.
     
  9. Silock

    Silock Member

    Feb 8, 2007
    KC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The ref was atrocious. But, hey, that's what you get with Benito Mussolini.
     
  10. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mike, are you sure?


    According to Dave O'Brien Josh only played for Chicago Fire. :rolleyes:
     
  11. KCBearcat

    KCBearcat New Member

    Nov 16, 2004
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wynalda was right when he said the only guy not playing well was the referee.

    Dave O'Brien is still an idiot.

    And congrats to Davy on his well-earned cap.
     
  12. Jarnevic

    Jarnevic BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 21, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's how we should play in every game. The last few outings we've looked very lathargic. Better effort tonight.
     
  13. Beech

    Beech Member

    Jul 26, 2001
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well to a certain extent the fact that he did play for Chicago, and the game was in Chicago, and he was playing for his former Chicago coach with a fellow Chicago teammate/player commentator in the booth might've slanted it a bit. That and considering that his move to Kansas City was one season of "out with injury" where we still did TV; and the next two we had a grand total of 2 away games aired. Many people in the league probably still associate him with Chicago instead of the media blackout/non playoff making team he was with most recently before Germany.

    Regardless I still found myself yelling at the TV for him to turn (and shoot) rather than attempt a clever dish everytime. Dude still can't shoot.

    Thought Eddie did an average performance but he didn't have that many opportunities. His "blazing" speed is really just international speed which means he's average when he plays in these games. He needs to develop another facet to his game although Convey must be blind in his left eye as well as his ear to not see him on the one counter. He would've easily been "in".

    Arnaud - Did what Arnaud does, started off well with good workrate plays and execution; seemed to get lost a ball chase a little bit a little later on (which is easy to do against Brazil).
     
  14. Goalieo

    Goalieo Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Springfield, MO
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the fed should sign the ref up for some MLS play-off games. He was awesome today!:rolleyes:
     
  15. Brian71

    Brian71 Member

    Sep 2, 2006
    Denver
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    We did well today...4-2 doesn't really tell the story. Horrible no-call, unlucky own goal. Real proud of our boys today. Wynalda continues to score points with me..

    "I'm just gonna say it - the referee is having a shocker."

    Indeed.
     
  16. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 11, 2006
    Olathe, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well Wynalda continues to dwell in Shep Messing territory as far as I'm concerned. Once we get this refeeeing stuff sorted out we're going to have to do something about the announcers. But yeah the ref had another rough day.

    On the other hand, no matter how you judge it the USA is many years from being as good as Brazil. I'm not sure it was a coincidence that they scored their 3rd goal not 90 seconds after our 2nd. Wynalda said during the game that Brazil always plays like it's 0-0--if he really believes that, he needs to go on the brain donor list. Their tempo seems random in the short term, but it's always dictated by the game situation and their opponent's style of play and skill set. They are world class opportunists. It's clearly not impossible to beat them (they haven't won a WC in several cycles after all), but you need some luck, tremendous focus, stamina and you need to play out of your mind basically.

    No shame in this one at all, only 3-4 sides in the world stand a decent chance of beating them at full strength.
     
  17. pete99

    pete99 New Member

    Apr 2, 2006
    Kansas
    well, i just got home from this game. it was literally the best soccer experience i've ever had from a spectating point of view. seeing ronaldinho and kaka and robinho etc all in real life...mesmerizing. same goes for the us nats.

    from my point of view (without wynalda interrupting :) ) i thought that it was a good performance. nice to see cherundolo back, i thought he did very well. after kaka basically ran from midfield to our endline cherundolo kept with him. he won a lot of head balls. im still not ab ig fan of onyewu and bocanegra together in the middle, but oh well. onyewu still has time to grow and learn and bocanegra is a good person to learn from. pearce starting kind of shocked me but he did well in getting up the field as well as getting back.

    bradley was phenomenal imo. rarely gave the ball away. he and feilhaber kept collapsing on dinho and kaka in the beginning and they were just working extremely well. bradley held onto the ball when he had to and passed when he had to. wasn't horribly impressed with beasley or donovan. donovan seemed to remain a non factor and beasley just wasn't playing the quality soccer we want to see.

    i'm too pissed about the second half to write a lot. we got hosed on the pk call--that's all i'm still thinking about. i just don't understand how the hell the ref could mess that one up. that's a huge goal for the us and could have very well changed the game. there were barely any yellow cards which i felt were needed to put the referee in control of the game. i'm done rambling. today was sweet.
     
  18. Silock

    Silock Member

    Feb 8, 2007
    KC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess, but aside from the unlucky own goal, they didn't get any goals from the run of play. A PK, header on a corner, own goal and a free kick. All things we need to work on, but the fact that they didn't break down the defense too much is an encouraging sign. What's also encouraging is that for our second goal, we DID break down their defense with good passing to score.
     
  19. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    I like a lot of what junior Bradley does, but Hejduk, Pablo, and Gooch all look less likely to get a red than him.

    The field was terrible, but after the first 20-30 minutes the US started to settle in a little better. I never did get to see a clean replay of the supposed Josh Wolff PK missed call. Did they show one?
     
  20. Wizardscharter

    Wizardscharter New Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    Blue Springs, MO
    A very entertaining game. Still, I'm sorry, I got a litle lost in this last sentence. Can you please draw a line for me on how, not getting your defense broken down too much and allowing 4 goals are related in the slightest? :rolleyes:


    As a fan it's easier in soccer, as compared to any other sport, to be seduced by only losing by one clear score. In soccer that margin is a vast chasm normally. Especially so if your team is the decided underdog playing at home. USA lost by 2.

    Brazil was smarter, more fit, more technically sound, and scored almost at will. When USA got the lead early, the game became serious for Brasil, USA shrank in fear, and had no chance from there forward. Yes, the ref sucked. Yes, Brasil was given advantages. Also, if you are going to complain about the non-called pk, then complain about the one not called for Brasil in the first half. You don't like the call that led to the free? Agreed, fine, but what about demanding a level of defense that doesn't have to foul to stop people.

    For me, as USA will probably not be a seed, they could easily wind up in the same pool as Brasil. No complaining about refs then, they have to go compete. I would think Bradley will have a similar message.

    This was a 5-3 game and you got the feeling if Brasil was in a situation where they needed 6 goals to qualify for something, that is precisely what they would have scored.

    USA went up against the best at home, were measured, and found to be lacking in every area. They looked like a team ranked 15-20. It's clear that a team ranked say 60th or so with a good free specialist will play exactly to that. Bunker, counter, hold the ball in tight until the inevitable foul, and then take your shots. It's how you beat the US. That was known coming in. Still, the free scored through a ducking 3 man Brasilian gap in the wall. Inexcusable.

    The only good I see from it is the experience. Maybe USA learned about the gap between what is required and what they are today. It's a hard gap to close in the hardest game to close it. They will have opportunity.

    At some point USA will see 3 other Champions (with possibly Brasil) in the Confed. Cup. This experience will come in handy then. If US Soccer, I try to schedule the pending Qualifyer in Azteca after this tournament if at all possible.


    I liked Davy's minutes and EJ's. You have to think if Davy's growth continues those two will miss abundant games in blue for those in white.
     
  21. Silock

    Silock Member

    Feb 8, 2007
    KC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because the 4 goals are something that can be remedied. It was a bit of mental lapses, not physical "we don't have the tools" lapses.

    You mean the play where he earned a yellow for diving because the US defender didn't even touch him?

    I thought the defense played pretty well today. Yes, they fouled to stop Brazil. Brazil did the same to us, too.

    Look, I'm not trying to say that we're anywhere close to being as consistently good as Brazil. What I am saying is that we're now good enough to not embarrass ourselves, and we can actually learn something from these types of games. Sometimes, when the talent level is so huge, you can't learn anything from the better team because they so thoroughly dominate the game, you feel like you don't have a chance. Up until Bradley's foul, you still felt like the US was in this game.
     
  22. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anyone know if this game will be replayed at anytime. I forgot to set my DVR and I am kicking myself.
     
  23. Merlin172

    Merlin172 Member

    Mar 16, 2000
    Kansas City, Kansas
    Ives said it best.

    "If you're a U.S. Soccer fan who can come away from yesterday's game not feeling encouraged by the national team's progress and potential then I really don't know what to tell you.

    The Americans showed skill, fearlnessness and toughness in pushing Brazil in a game that was far closer than the final score showed. This isn't about settling for a moral victory. It is about acknowledging the work the U.S. team put in and the real progress it showed."
     
  24. PezJunkie

    PezJunkie Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Independence, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only if "several" means "one" where you come from... ;)
    World Cup 2004 in Japan/Korea: Champion - Brazil
     
  25. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :confused:
     

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