I'm tired of "unlucky"

Discussion in 'TV, Satellite & Radio' started by kstuart, Sep 3, 2007.

  1. kstuart

    kstuart Member

    Jul 13, 1999
    Northern California
    All commentators, whether UK or not, whether ex-professional players or not, call it "unlucky" when a shot hits the post or bar.

    It is not unlucky.

    The posts and bar are in the same place in every stadium in the world. And they don't move.

    So, if you hit the post or bar, your shot is too wide or too high. It is just the same as your shot going outside the post or above the bar. The target is clearly defined.

    Now, if the goal moved back and forth randomly during the game (sounds sci-fi, eh?) then it would be unlucky if the post happened to move into the path of your shot.

    But since that doesn't happen, it's not "unlucky", it's just bad finishing.
     
  2. red & wite army

    red & wite army I ain't no drama queen!

    Jan 15, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Fair enough, and I've thought the same, but the thing is that the difference in execution between hitting a ball that hits the post or one that goes in is completely minimal, or even the same - the wind or any minor factor can change it. Perhaps the better term to use is 'close'.
     
  3. jammybastard

    jammybastard Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    Flyoverland
    It's part of the culture, that's why it's applied to many, many different situations.
    Sort of a 'catch all" phrase when things don't go as planned.
     
  4. dustcowpoke

    dustcowpoke Member

    Jan 7, 2006
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah it's just part of the culture.

    Like if you try to get with a girl and you get denied that would be "unlucky".
     
  5. CRSvideo

    CRSvideo Member

    Jul 24, 1999
    New York, NY
    A bigger issue I have with announcer is when they say "his shot beats the keeper, but doesn't make it into the net". The keepers job is to make it so the ball doesn't go into the net, so when a shot goes past the reach of the keeper, but doesn't go into the goal, the keeper's job is done and done well. He is not beaten at all if the ball is shot wide of the goal. He's not supposed to cover the area wide of the goal. The only time I will accept that a keeper is beaten when a goal is not scored is when an opposing player is able to dribble past the keeper before the shot at the goal (and that shot is missed). That's the only time when a keeper is beaten but a goal is not scored.

    And don't get me started about how away goals "count as double". I hate explaining that to people who don't follow soccer. They'll think that a team that looses an away game 4-2 is actually tied (and that it's ridiculous that the away team has such an advantage). They're not! The only double that they are worth is that they count towards two different places - the total agragate and the tie breaker if the agragate ends tied, but its confusing to lable that as counting double.

    (ok, I guess I did get started about away goals "counting as double").

    Well, I feel better now.

    Thank you.

    ..........
     
  6. kstuart

    kstuart Member

    Jul 13, 1999
    Northern California
    I'll add one more:

    Commentators, manager, and players alike think " it's not a penalty because he got the ball ". This is a myth - it's not in the rules !

    The actual rule is that it IS a penalty, if the defender tackles a player and does not get the ball. But unlike what everyone thinks, the reverse is not true. A defender can contact the ball and clear it away, but if he fouls the attacker, it is still a penalty. (Check the FIFA rules and you can verify this.)
     
  7. geordienation

    geordienation Moderator

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC


    Yeah, that's a pet peeve of mine.

    Like it's open season on another player simply because you got to the ball first.
     
  8. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    as it happens, if you do get to the ball first, then it's probably not a foul. It's making contact with the player first that makes it a foul in many cases.
     
  9. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think it depends how near you are. If you are 10 yards from goal then it's bad finishing. If you are 30 yards away then the difference between success or failure, in terms of the angle of flight of the ball, is miniscule. Given the small gaps players have to aim at to beat the keeper from that range, to do so but be 1 or 2 degrees out in accuracy could be described as unfortunate.
     
  10. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even more annoying is when a commentator says that if the ball is not playable or if the attacker was going away from goal, then it can't be a penalty.

    There is no such rule. If you foul in the box, it's a penalty, even if the ball is 100 yards away.
     
  11. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The Everton manager said the other day of a handball shout that "it hit his arm and changed the direction of the ball, so it had to be a penalty".


    Actually what does annoy me a tad is when commentators criticise a linesman's mistake in a marginal offside (or even a ball crossing a goal-line) when it took them five goes in slow motion to decide themselves.

    Mind you, I am sick of the number of linesmen who give a throw-in just because the part of the ball touching the grass has rolled over the line.
     
  12. danielmak

    danielmak Member

    Sep 26, 2004
    off the purple line
    If we're voicing our pet-peeves: I am waiting for the first announcer to point out that the only gaffers who sit in the stands for a half (e.g., Big Sam and 'arry Redknapp) are the coaches who never challenge for a championship. Do you see Rafa, Jose, or Sir Alex sitting in the stands? Put your assistant in the stands and sit on the bench, you mid-table saps. Take care.
     
  13. green94

    green94 Member

    Jan 1, 2007
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure if they stood Portsmouth and Newcastle would be right up there with the big four. Them standing will bridge the talent gap, it's that simple.
     
  14. saabrian

    saabrian Member

    Mar 25, 2002
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a keeper, I say amen to that.

    My personal pet peeve is when announcers scream hysterically that something must be a red card because the fouler was the last defender (or can't be red because he wasn't the last defender). The rule says nothing about last men. It's about denying a clear goal scoring opportunity.

    The fact that the defender was the last man can be a consideration but it's not a requirement for a red. If a guy's on the wing near the halfline and gets fouled by a defender who's two yards in front of a pair of teammates in the middle, that's hardly a clear goal scoring opportunity, even if the defender was "the last defender."
     
  15. Prince of Pubs

    Prince of Pubs New Member

    Aug 9, 2005
    San Diego
    Its part of the football vocabulary thats been around for a very long time before you were probably even born.
     
  16. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I also dislike when a commentator says so-and-so played 94 minutes, or something like that, just because there was 4 minutes of added time in the second half. How come added time in the first half is not figured in?

    It's a 90 minute game, added time is for when players are standing around not actually playing.
     
  17. FutbolLover

    FutbolLover New Member

    Sep 12, 2007
    NYC
    Yes, that's it.

    Whether correct or not, it's been said for so long that almost everyone says it and in many different cultures and countries as well as someone already mentioned.

    It's hard to get rid of things like that becuz they are so deeply-rooted by now.
     
  18. LOSC_Cabaye

    LOSC_Cabaye New Member

    Sep 1, 2007
    Phoenix, Arizona
    I do believe that hitting the post is unlucky, a player can hit the ball aswell as he could done everything right, but it's the inches of the post that can decide the game, an inch here and there and games and championships can be decided so luck has alot to do with it.
     
  19. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA

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