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Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by eddygee, Aug 30, 2007.

  1. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New League Proposal:


    -League sets proposed $20-25 Million dollar salary cap/with new luxury tax rule.

    -Luxury tax rule is 15-20% tax imposed on teams who go over the set cap limit.

    -Money from teams that go over cap limit is distributed to teams evenly at the end of every season.

    -League will be able to grow without causing teams to go in debt.
     
  2. BBBulldog

    BBBulldog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    1/4 of your posts are "bump"

    you should stick to what you're good at :D
     
  3. broder

    broder Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    Mission
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's only what, like 2 or 3 teams making a profit. Please come back to 2007, reality is waiting for you.
     
  4. wolfp10

    wolfp10 Member

    Sep 25, 2005
    Barely half of the teams in MLS are making a profit with a $2 million cap, where the hell are they supposed to come up with $20 million?
     
  5. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How are only 2 or 3 teams making a profit when the luxury tax money goes to every team in the league? The teams who are getting penalized are not getting money from the luxury tax they are paying up the money that will be given to the league. The only benefit the teams who go over the luxury tax is the exposure of signing big name players.
     
  6. AlecW81

    AlecW81 Member

    Oct 20, 2005
    Durham, NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Moron, most of the owners don't have 25million to throw away on salaries per season.

    The current cap is roughly 2.5million. You want to increase it ten-fold... Are you 12? Or just brain-dead?
     
  7. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wolfp10 wrote:
    Barely half of the teams in MLS are making a profit with a $2 million cap, where the hell are they supposed to come up with $20 million?

    Ok let me explain this for those of you who don't get it ok. Just because a league sets a cap doesn't me that teams in the league can't be under the cap.
    Can't you see how this benefits the league, its the same format that just about every pro-leauge in the US uses. We need to realize how to make soccer work in the US and this is just about the only useful and most productive thing that other US pro sports can give to the MLS. WOW!
     
  8. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Attn: poster

    The MLSFO is constantly banging heads against a wall. It works about the same.
    I'm sure the attn: will get your attention just as your post will be memo board material for our NY office. In case you didn't get it, neither did we.

    MLSFO

    c/o dredgfan
     
  9. broder

    broder Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    Mission
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We can also ask Bill Gates for $200 million dollars. I mean, that's like chump change to him.
     
  10. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It worked for getting Chef out of jail didn't it. Or was that the Chewbacca defense?

    Oh yea, both.
     
  11. Steele

    Steele New Member

    Jul 10, 2006
    Atlanta
    Your plan is to take a league with approximately $40 MM (including DPs) in salary expenditures and is still barely in the red and raise that to between $260 MM and $325 MM?

    Right now attendance is expected to be about 2.9 MM even if you raised attendance to 5.0 MM and made a profit of $50 per ticket sold this would only generate $250 MM in profit.

    Then realize that TV revenue is locked in for the next 7 seasons, so the MLS can't grow thru TV contracts.

    How exactly is this plan even remotely feasible unless you expect the league to average over 30K in attendance when only 3 stadiums even seat 30K?
     
  12. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where is the money coming from?
     
  13. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great idea!

    Now all you have to do is figure out how to get the 225,000 tickets you sell per year if you can manage to average 15,000 for each home game to sell for over $100 a piece when they're having trouble selling them for $20.

    Idiot.
     
  14. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's easy: just close your eyes, click your heels three times and say "There's no place like home"
     
  15. Steele

    Steele New Member

    Jul 10, 2006
    Atlanta

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  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That is not how pro leagues in the US work. The NFL has a hard cap. The NHL has a hard cap. Teams cannot go over the cap and therefore these two league do not have luxury taxes. The NBA has a soft cap and a luxury tax. They also have a maximum player salary. Almost every team is over the cap. All three of those leagues set their caps at a level all the teams can manage so that there is parity throughout the league and so that all the teams can stay close to profitable. Major League Baseball has a luxury tax but no cap.

    You could set up a cap system with a luxury tax the way you are talking but if you put the cap that high you will wind up with big disparities. New York and LA might spend $19 million so they don't have to pay any luxury tax while most of the rest of the league would only spend $2 or $3 million so they could stay profitable. How exactly would this help the league? And inevitably as NY and LA start winning all the games other teams would start spending more to catch up or lose their fans. This would, in fact, create debt since they would be spending more than their revenue.
     
  17. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where is the money coming from? The salary cap last time I checked is just a binding league agreement that states no such teams should go over a set amount. It doesn't state that you have to have this such money in order to set one. In the MLS case where rules are seemly made up for convience this plan shouldn't be looked at as dumb. If the league is ever gonna be successful we got get out of the small thinking.

    The money doesn't have to come from any where OK its just a proposed salary cap limit. This is the MLS a league that is inventing itself and makes new rules all the time. Think outside the box of what I am saying.

    There are some teams who I believe can and maybe will gamble on spending over 20 million at some point and time on players. Why? because they believe they can benefit two fold from it. Say what you want but look at LA they are gonna laugh all the way to bank playoffs or not.

    Stop it with this 2.5 million salary cap talk most of you do realize without the league allocated money, DP, YI, and SI stuff the amount of money that is being spent on a teams players are well over 2.5 million.
     
  18. Richmond Kickers

    Richmond Kickers New Member

    Aug 5, 2006
    This could be the stupidest post I have ever seen on BS.
     
  19. Sportsfan1

    Sportsfan1 Member

    Jul 22, 2007
    St. Louis, MO
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this is the most stupid thing I have ever seen.

    the mls brought in 150 million last year..Im sure that will get to 175-180 this year.

    but geez.

    your suggestiong salarys in theory could be over 100 percent of revenue.

    crazy
     
  20. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Well, for one thing right now salaries are being paid by the league except for the money in excess of $400,000 for DPs. Teams decide how to allocate their share of the cap but the players are being paid by the league. I'd guess that most of the teams are allocating most of their money because they have no reason not to. It's not like they stick it in their pocket if they don't.

    So you are saying that you proposed a $20 to $25 million cap because it is outside the box? You just picked a big number and you don't care if teams spend wildly different amounts under that cap? How is that different than not having a cap at all? Earlier you said that it could help the league grow without increasing debt. How does that work exactly? Seems to me like you are saying that teams should be able to spend more than they have revenue. Isn't that creating debt?

    Yes, LA is making money on the Beckham deal. Because they are only paying him $6 million per year. Beckham agreed to that partially because he gets control of so much other revenue. Do you really think that there are lots of Beckhams out there for the league to take advantage of?
     
  21. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok easy fix, so you set the cap to $10 -15 mil lower its a proposal its not official its a proposal. MLS fans all they do is **tch and moan about crap the moment somebody tries to get creative they trash it.

    Well say what you want about me im still am convinced the blue print of my plan will work and will be used in the mls sooner than later. Stop thinking about the status -quo and think creative. Plain thinking has taking us to where we are now im not complaining about it because it was needed.
    However its time to capitalize, the DP's are only gonna be hear for so long take advantage of it why you can.

    Beckham, Angel, and others attracted 66,000 at Giants Stadium . So if you bring the stars the attendance will come. If you build they will come.
     
  22. Sportsfan1

    Sportsfan1 Member

    Jul 22, 2007
    St. Louis, MO
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    no others did not attract anyone to giants stadium..beckham did.

    not only that the mls is locked into a tv deal for what 7 more years...and they cant get over 20 mil per year.

    which means attendance and merchandise are money makers.

    where will the money come from..where will all the new soccer fans come from?


    the league will need another 7 to 10 year to get to close 500 mil.

    and probably 20 years if ever to make 1 billion.
     
  23. eddygee

    eddygee Member+

    DC United
    May 12, 2007
    Moco, Maryland
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Almost forgot other point if teams try to outsmart the system and go under the cap the leaugue stills benefit.

    How? The team who spent a bunch will obviously benefit beacuse a better on product attracts more consumers. Other teams will benefit through attendance bumps in away games they host. The more teams with better products produce more attendance throughout the league.
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How has that worked for the Kansas City Royals?
     
  25. Steele

    Steele New Member

    Jul 10, 2006
    Atlanta
    Perhaps it gets trashed because it wasn't creative it was simple crap.

    It showed lack of thought by just picking a random number perhaps if you put some thought into your orginal plan then it would have gotten a better reception.

    Even $10-15 MM is crap because even if the Galaxy sell out all the entire 27 HDC for all 15 games and make $25 per ticket the profit is slightly over $10 MM. Not enough to turn a profit with operating expenses.

    Perhaps a number of roughly $5 MM would make more sense, but then again a $5MM cap with a luxury tax is neither creative or original to Big Soccer
     

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