Quakes expansion draft - who do we protect?

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by Sachsen, Aug 27, 2007.

  1. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rules:

    MLS Expansion Draft Rules:
    - Each team may protect 11 players from its 28-man roster (Senior and Developmental rosters combined).
    - Generation adidas players are automatically protected. (Players in this category who are "graduated" to the Senior Roster at the end of the 2006 season are not automatically protected.)
    - Teams may make available no more than one Senior International player.
    - San Jose Earthquakes may select no more than one player from any given MLS team.
    - San Jose Earthquakes will make a total of 10 selections.
    - A player who retires will not be considered part of the Senior Roster and therefore is not eligible for the draft and does not need to be protected.

    A post in the Quakes forum predicted that we would protect the following:

    Arnaud
    Burciaga
    Conrad
    Garcia
    Harrington
    Hartman
    Jewsbury
    Johnson
    Marinelli
    Victorine
    Zavagnin

    They're looking at nabbing Sealy or Pore from us.

    Comments, corrections, clarifications?
     
  2. Jarnevic

    Jarnevic BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 21, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would think that Movsisyan might possibly be in that protected 11, with maybe Sasha being the odd man out.

    And if I were San Jose, I would look at Yura over Pore.
     
  3. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As far as I'm concerned, they can have Pore. I would hope they somehow protect Scott, especially if EJ leaves.
     
  4. PezJunkie

    PezJunkie Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Independence, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe they just overlooked Yura, but I wonder if there's still some confusion over whether he's Gen. Adidas or not?
     
  5. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If EJ doesn't learn to settle the ball and dribble I can't see him going to Europe. YMMV.
     
  6. Silock

    Silock Member

    Feb 8, 2007
    KC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they take Sealy or Pore, whatever. Let them have them. I'd be more concerned with them taking Yura or Colombano.
     
  7. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

    Aug 8, 2003
    Broken Arrow, Okla.
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmmm... long term, I'd still favor Sealy becoming an impact player over Yura at this point.
     
  8. Silock

    Silock Member

    Feb 8, 2007
    KC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just haven't seen much from Sealy that makes me think he's going to really get better. Yura, though, seems to have more upside.

    I mean, neither are really that great right now, but Yura is at least younger.

    Isn't Yura automatically protected under the Generation Adidas contract, though?

     
  9. Felixx219

    Felixx219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 8, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sealy might not be having a great season but I think he needs to be protected. He has shown the previous two seasons that he can be an asset. He has been out of form this season but I see no reason why he cant return to form.
     
  10. Beech

    Beech Member

    Jul 26, 2001
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Untouchable (Core Team)
    1) Conrad - Consistently our best defender.
    2) Arnaud - Consistently our best overall & all over player.

    Untouchable (due to future reward)
    3) Movsisyan - Should still be Gen Adidas
    4) Harrington - For a rookie we're getting good games from him, I think people are forgetting he's a rookie.

    Somewhat Touchable (but not through this thing, serious trade bait if something big needed to happen - like Nedved or something)
    5) Garcia - Seems to be slipping a bit more each year
    6) Hartman - Age, focus, & pudge
    7) Victorine - Capt'n Utility - put him anywhere - get a decent performace
    8) Johnson - Like a light switch either on or off - Gone at the seasons end?
    9) Sealy - when in form is just a notch below an "on" Johnson
    10) Marinelli - if he ever gets the chemistry down he'll be the one to beat at AM in the league

    Tradeable (tough picks - either on downside or never got there's)
    11b) Zavagnin - we have several players that could perform close to his level - love the guy but he just plays one of those positions that can be filled.
    11a) Burciaga - Offense or defense, but never both - larger payroll with capable backups in Harrington & Raybold - Harringtion needs to be a midi.
    Jewsbury - we've seen him grow up to be an average mid and now and so far an average right back. Love the guy, but not a mainstay

    Unprotected: (but worthy as extra's in a trade scenario)
    Columbano - the SI we leave out - nobody knows squat about him so he's safe
    Raybould - Finding his place in the lineup though isn't he.
    Pore - I don't think it's going to happen at this level.
    John - Keep hearing great things but never makes the field.
    Holbein - would like to keep him - seemed fairly solid, just a newbie.
    Watson - fading more into the bench each week - too small.
    Morsink - Still not seeing his game but someone likes something somewhere.

    The rest....
     
  11. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    are we sure those are the rules for this years draft, and not for last years for Toronto? I mean MLS didn't get the rules for the TFC expansion draft til like a few weeks or so before the draft. And they seem to change them with every draft.
     
  12. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    as for the list of players, I pretty much agree with Beech, although I would leave Eddie unprotected. He's gonna be a DP next season if he's around and that would likely keep the Quakes away I would think.
     
  13. Chairman Mau

    Chairman Mau Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    Birdland
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    i'm just gonna wait and see. who knows.
     
  14. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 11, 2006
    Olathe, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah it alway turns into a poker game, guessing which players are too expensive for the expansion team to take. On our squad, EJ is the only one who is clearly safe to leave exposed, and I will also say that we have less to fear from the expansion draft than any team in the league.

    If there is more than one expansion team drafting, wouldn't the rules have to be changed? Wouldn't teams be allowed to protect more players?

    Here's what I think is a reasonable approximation of our protected list:

    Conrad
    Marinelli-Whatever else you think of him, he is the best dribbler and passer I've laid my eyes on in ages, and he happens to be an Onalfo signing.
    Hartman-maybe. Obviously if Hartman plans to surf into the sunset, we will not be protecting him. Duh.
    Victorine-Based on CO's comments I think he likes what Sasha brings.
    Burciaga
    Arnaud
    Harrington-Vermes/Onalfo Draft pick. Unlikely to let him go, particularly as good as he looked early on. He should be better conditioned to go a full season next year.
    Jewsbury-probably, depends on if there's an impact right back out there in the draft pool.
    Movsisyan-way too much upside here to let anyone grab him.
    Sealy-Our offense somehow just works better with him in there. This is a topic ripe for analysis.
    SWAP:Garcia-maybe, maybe not. Like Jewsbury, his fate may depend on if there is an immediate impact player we think will be around come the 6th or 7th pick in the superdraft.

    Exposed:
    EJ-Sick guaranteed comp makes him a dumb pick-up for any team just trying to get out of the driveway. Johnson is a turbocharge blower, not a steering wheel.

    Zags-probably exposed. Two things working against him: He's 33, and it's painfully obvious that our MF is much less than the sum of its parts. His age means he is probably the odd man out. And again, he may decide he can't take the punishment anymore and save us the decision.

    SWAP Morsink-Maybe. Not sure about this one. He was an Onalfo draft pick, but a late supplemental pick. His playing time has probably been the result of Onalfo trying to shake up our midfield and to evaluate him for this very purpose.



    Pore-Like it was said before, I wouldn't wear a black armband all next year or shave his number into my hair if we were to lose him. He's a serviceable striker in a pinch. If that's the dude the Quakes want, then by golly we can hack it.

    Will John-Same category as Pore, except I might wear the armband. :D He's a really popular fella.

    I think that covers everyone who has seen playing time this season.

    Special consideration:

    Our young keepers. Does Kronberg have starting potential in the foreseeable future? If so you might want to take the tag off Hartman and give it to him instead.
     
  15. Abracadabra

    Abracadabra BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 11, 2006
    Olathe, Kansas
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And on reflection Beech is right; you can't let Garcia go for nothing. Some trade would have to be worked out or something. He's got enough game and years left to have decent trade value.
     
  16. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    where's my rep button?
    he might still go, but he definitely won't succeed with those two characteristics of his game so poor.

    i'm glad you posted this. i've found myself starting to get negative about him, but he is only a rookie and just getting the amount of minutes he's getting so far is a credit to what we might've found in the draft.
     
  17. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's because Michael started out so well, he was looking like a lead pipe cinch for ROY.

    Same with EJ to an extent. He started out like gangbusters and has gone in the freezer.

    I think that'll be enough cliches for one evening.
     
  18. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    John and Pore are GA and therefore exempt, barring graduation.

    Protected

    Arnaud
    Burciaga
    Conrad
    Garcia
    Hartman
    Harrington
    Johnson
    Marinelli
    Movsisyan
    Sealy
    Victorine
     
  19. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something I was thinking about, wasn't Movsisyan exempt last season from the expansion draft, because he was basically GA too or something like that?
     
  20. cjgwizard

    cjgwizard Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    LSP, section 129
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They show him as DYI on the website roster....not sure exactly what that stands for (developmental youth international?), but hopefully it means he is protected somehow so we don't have to worry about him.
     
  21. Diego Pasley

    Diego Pasley Member

    Jun 26, 2005
    Lake Ozark, MO
    Something that has to be considered is the new Designated Player rules that may be in place next year. If each team can get two guys under the Beckham rule, and ownership grabs some skilled players for KC in hopes of generating hype to go with the new stadium, then maybe EJ and Sealy become very expendable. Especially EJ if there is still euro interest in him. Hard to say who to protect now when we dont know what the cap/roster rules will be next year.
     
  22. Beech

    Beech Member

    Jul 26, 2001
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If EJ is here next season he is our DP. If the league decides to allow another (which is already the case for teams that really want them anyway) then fine. Them doing so has nothing to do with who we protect in this scenario though. You have to go with the current plan as it was declared by the commish that the DP rule will be reviewed after it's 3rd year.

    I'm not a fan of having more than 1 DP personally. I believe between that and all the SI favor's that have been getting changed for the Chivas' and TFC's of the league that our National team will become composed of nothing more than defenders and goalkeepers before we know it.
     
  23. Chairman Mau

    Chairman Mau Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    Birdland
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    i don't really understand all those rules yet, but i can't believe Dallas just signed Denilson.
     
  24. Silock

    Silock Member

    Feb 8, 2007
    KC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd rather see our team win, regardless of how it is accomplished.
     
  25. Beech

    Beech Member

    Jul 26, 2001
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes and people will not come to watch something they feel is not American.

    Soccer is already foreign enough to most but if you zap the American player away as well, there goes the casual fan. As it stands now we are back to NASL days where a team could conceivably roll out a squad and only have 3 americans actively playing. But it's not a rule that you must have 3 it's only that the "special" designation limits haven't "gone to eleven" yet so 3 is the remainder.
     

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