Che LaVolpe Speaks....

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by OG Junglist, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. Mosco

    Mosco Member+

    Dec 1, 2004
    Sun Valley, CA


    Hey he screwed up by choosing his son in law and calling the same players over and over like Nery said La volpe never called him for the seleccion straight from the horses mouth. Please get over the la volpe era he is finishes or and was look at him now with Velez and previous Boca did they win anything??? Whats that tell you!:rolleyes:
     
  2. OG Junglist

    OG Junglist Member+

    Jul 21, 2005
    El Jebel, CO
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    MOSCOWNED!!!!:eek:
     
  3. Hecho en Chivas

    Hecho en Chivas Member+

    Apr 22, 2004
    Chulajuana
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    you manage to outdo yourself once again Mosco! :eek::D
     
  4. El Pipiripau

    El Pipiripau Member+

    Jul 10, 2006
    Escondido!!!
    Club:
    Club Santos Laguna
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Talk about a stretch...

    A coach has to make do with what he has. Simply put he could've called anyone but he chose not to. He could've called Nery and Gio but he chose not to. How do you know what Lavolpe would've done with Nery? You also don't know that most of the players preferred him, the players hated him at Velez. He also managed to completely f-up Boca's season.

    I don't see the obsession with a guy who is gone and will never come back. He never produced...period. Hate Hugo all you want but he's the coach now.

    How do you think the team played better with Lavolpe? I think we played like dog shit against Angola and Portugal. If he was such a brilliant tactician, why did he only last at Boca and Velez only 1 tournament? I think he praised himself until he was blue in the face and managed to convince others.
     
  5. MesQueUnClub

    MesQueUnClub New Member

    Jul 23, 2006
    First of all I dont hate Hugo I just dont have much faith in the guy. Secondly I don't see the obsession with a guy who is gone and will never come back.
     
  6. Hecho en Chivas

    Hecho en Chivas Member+

    Apr 22, 2004
    Chulajuana
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    2 totally different teams and 2 totally different coaches

    you can't honestly compare

    either way, Lavolpe hasn't done jacksh!t as both a club coach and NT coach.
     
  7. gvfatlas

    gvfatlas Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    GDL
    Club:
    CF Atlas Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Exactly, 2 different cycles and 2 different coaches.

    Lavolpe had to pretty much start the team from scratch and in the end found a very well-balanced team with strong players in all the positions except forwards.

    Hugo pretty much inherited a strong team and a strong base and just added Nery and some of his consentidos who didn't get a chance with Lavolpe.

    Personally, I liked the way the team played better with Lavolpe. We just didn't have anyone who could score the goals in a consistent basis besides Jared.
     
  8. Jimmy America

    Jimmy America Member

    Jun 4, 2005
    Nerys Eyebrows
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Nery, and the other players we have now were availabe to Lavople but the jackazz insisted on playing scrubs like Guille, Bravo, Kikin. That about sums up the level of coach Lavolpe was.
     
  9. Dr. Deplorable

    Dr. Deplorable Member+

    Mar 31, 2007
    Kansas
    totally agree with gvatlas. even if u dont like him u have to admit th NT did play better or rather a more flashy kind of fut. and da Pachuca players were really unknown til after sudamericana, Nery 's situation was more ego, blanco and bofo weren't remotely close to what they r now and Bravo and Kikin actually had a pretty good scoring streak going on before WC. chikis and suarez was BS guille a little more understandable. gio was playing in like 3rd division and i dont think it was enough, now totally
     
  10. Sakuragi

    Sakuragi Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    "You have given too much rep..."

    Red, please.
     
  11. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    i remember a few boca players (palermo, schelotto) saying that lavolpe's tactics made no sense, which is why they failed that season (same team that won trophies before and after lavolpe, but not during)

    the velez players hated him

    the national team played like crap under him. they failed to advance passed the first round of knock out stages in any tourney, except the ones played at home. hugo has already out done him in that aspect, twice, making the final in the gold cup in US soil and reaching the final of copa america, in 1/4th of the time

    how can anyone honestly say lavolpe was better?
     
  12. chris2787

    chris2787 Member

    Jun 13, 2006
    Houston
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I don't think anyone can say that Lavolpe was better, but I think anyone can honestly say that the base of the team right now was Lavolpe. He built a pretty good squad for anyone to build a successful team out of. Now what you do with that is totally different. Could Hugo of been able to build the team that Lavolpe did? I honestly don't think so, but can Hugo do well with the talent that is laid out before him? More than likely.
     
  13. Perndog2006

    Perndog2006 Member+

    Jul 24, 2006
    Nery Nut Ryder
    Club:
    CF Rayados de Monterrey
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    if you wanna find a way to measure success between both coaches..

    well heres one

    Hugo hasnt won anything. didnt even qualify to confed cup

    Lavolpe won la copa oro. thus qualifying Mexico to the confed cup.

    To me.. lavolpe le faltaba un jugador que metiera goles. thus he failed

    Hugo tenia mucho mas talento disponible and still failed.

    its just the facts...

    just look at the 2 games of Mexico vs argentina on 2006 and 2007

    you can clearly see that lavolpe's side had a better chance to beat argentina with his tactics.

    while Hugo lo golearon 3-0. Hugo se asusto y la rego tacticamente.

    and thats lavolpe's point in that article. that Hugo really cant do any better than lavolpe.


    I personally dont care anymore. Hugo is my coach, even thou he plays my team like crap, I will still support him. Hasta en las perdidas que nos vienen.

    (otro aztecazo anyone?)
     
  14. gvfatlas

    gvfatlas Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    GDL
    Club:
    CF Atlas Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Once again, it depends on what you mean by "better".

    Lavolpe had to put together a team from scratch since he didn't really have a strong base when he started. I mean what legacy or base did Aguirre leave so Lavolpe could continue when we had players like Sigifredo Mercado, Vidrio, Johan Rodriguez, Conejo Perez and Luis Hernandez starting or playing in the WC squad. The only good base you could say was Marquez, Pavel, Torrado(who Lavolpe didn't use until later), Ramoncito, and Jared.

    Besides those guys, Lavolpe had to put together the team with the players that were coming up and in the end he did a nice job of putting together a team that played rather good and seemed to gel together nice. Did he achieve the goals? that's a different story.

    Hugo had one of the strongest bases of players to chose from and still managed to ******** it up for the Gold Cup, he did a nice job at Copa America besides the Arg. game(although Oswaldo was also to blame there).
    Seriously, all he had to do was add Nery, a couple of his consentidos, and the Pachuca guys and he has a super strong team. And this considering he most likely call those players that are blacklisted(Galindo, Mendez, etc...) Hugo didn't have the challenge of having to find solid players to fill most of the positions in the team.

    Just my humble opinion, I expect Hugistas to start neg repping me and coming in here in about ten seconds....
     
  15. Mosco

    Mosco Member+

    Dec 1, 2004
    Sun Valley, CA
    Didn't Hugo take Pumas to three or was it two Championships I had a good feeling La volpe was going to pummel in the Argie league as coach and it happened. Just goes to show some of our great players got us through some of the games during the World Cup 2006 not so much La volpe.
     
  16. MesQueUnClub

    MesQueUnClub New Member

    Jul 23, 2006

    I respect you as a poster and for the most part I agree with your posts, but I completely disagree on this.

    Who did hugo play in both Cups? Bravo and Kikin. So who is the bigger fool? the fool or the fool that follows the fool?

    Which other players were available that Lavolpe should have called other than Nery? Palencia? Bernal? Beltran? Bofo? Cua? Are you kidding me!

    Just look at the core of the national team and the core was established by lavolpe. Osorio, Pardo, Guardado, Salcido, Torrado. Que mas quieren cabrones?

    I know you bastards hate the guy and all, but common man, a lot of you were riding his sack a year ago. He did more good for Mexico than he did wrong.

    As for Nery I give him the benefit of the doubt but he bailed on Mexico in the Olympics, if he would have gone he would have been in Lavolpes convocatorias, so lets not stick the whole Nery thing on Lavolpe.
     
  17. MesQueUnClub

    MesQueUnClub New Member

    Jul 23, 2006
    Re: Lavolpe Speaks....

    Achinga, yo pense que aviamos jugado con Brasil, Argentina y Alemania. Y no perdimos en 90 con ninguno. o acaso estos juegos no contaron.:rolleyes:

    Y esa Grecia fea y sin idea fue la mejor en Europa en el 2004.
     
  18. Mosco

    Mosco Member+

    Dec 1, 2004
    Sun Valley, CA
    Re: Lavolpe Speaks....

    some of you fools on here are hard head why don't you go hide under la volpes sack!
     
  19. gvfatlas

    gvfatlas Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    GDL
    Club:
    CF Atlas Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Lavolpe Speaks....

    No ninguno de esos partidos contaron, no ves que de todas maneras perdimos.:rolleyes:

    Y los partidos que ganamos tampoco contaron, porque era Japon, porque era Iran, porque eran equipos chicos, y aparte segun ellos defendimos hasta la madre:rolleyes:

    Que yo viera de los unicos partidos donde Mexico defendio hasta la madre fue contra Argentina y Brasil en Copa America 2004. Contra Argentina en Confed. Cup 2005 el equipo se hecho para atras despues del gol, pero yo no se porque si en la television se veia como el cuerpo tecnico(incluido Lavolpe) les decia a los jugadores que no se echaran para atras, que fueran por el segundo gol.
     
  20. chapulin

    chapulin Member

    Feb 27, 2005
    El Estado Dorado
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    lavolpe does speak out of his ass sometimes, but too many people on here hate him with a passion, that they don't want to give him credit for anything.
    he created the base of our national team today. if hugo would've gotten the team in 2002/03, i highly doubt he would have done nearly as well.

    lavolpe started out from scratch, while hugo had most of his players already made. i'm not taking any credit away from hugo, but i wonder how well we would have done in both tournaments this summer WITHOUT nery, because with no nery, we had no offense. and i want to hear someone try to counter that. because in all the games he didn't play, the difference on the field was apparent.

    i don't think lavolpe did a whole lot of good for the NT. but if he did one thing, he created the foundation for what we have today. in copa oro 2003, we played like shit, but we won the cup. "pero era el equipo C de brasil" f uck that.. the core players of that team are on top european club now. kaka and robinho, for instance, are two of the best players in the world. and it's not like mexico had their A team, either.

    copa america 2004, we played like shit, but we beat argentinas top team. "pero defendimos todo el partido"... for every major tournament lavolpe played, people always have an excuse to make him look bad, or like what the team did, was nothing. i think lavolpe is a moron, but give credit where credit is due. lavolpe didn't do great with the NT (performance-wise), but it's not like we completely wasted our time on him.

    when we beat someone with lavolpe, it either was because they sucked or we played defense the entire game. :rolleyes:
     
  21. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    five players? you're forgetting carmona as well, and oswaldo. that's more than half of the team. that's not exactly building a team from scratch. the only important additions he added were salcido, osorio, galindo, and luicito, and the latter two have turned out useless now.

    this is futbol. the goal is to win and achieve goals. how is that a different story? any clown can debut players, doesn't mean anything if you don't achieve your goals. any coach would have called up osorio and salcido. not every coach would have called his son in law, huiqui, osorno, chato, etc.

    Hugo added Correa, Pinto, Cacho, Nery, Magallon, I. Castro, bofo and cauh again, and guess what? He went further than Lavolpe did in Copa America. This wasn't Lavolpe's team, it didn't have the same players, and they didn't play like a Lavolpe team. It wasn't Lavolpe's base, because Lavolpe didn't create a base. Hugo's team did better than Lavolpe's team, period.

    Lavolpe's only achievement was winning the Gold Cup at Home, and he didn't have to play the United States. When Lavolpe played the Gold Cup in the United States, he did much worse than Hugo, lost to south africa and colombia's U23 team. hahaha.
     
  22. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    Kikin didn't play Copa America.



    Pardo and Torrado were on the national team before Lavolpe.


    Hugo is the one that talked to Nery and got him to play for us. Lavolpe couldn't do it himself. Hugo wins nery.
     
  23. Dr. Deplorable

    Dr. Deplorable Member+

    Mar 31, 2007
    Kansas
    well he did manage to help put the most players in Europe in mexicos history
    Osorio, Pavel (left right after WC)
    Salcido(hadn't even played 1 game w/ Hugo yet)
    Galindo(I think Frankfurt stated it was confed. and international exp.)
    Guardado(kinda half and half)

    also like I already stated most of the players in Copa werent considered by most for Lavolpe era.

    You can't really use results to backup Hugo cuz he just dont have them yet...Lavolpe beat Brazil and Argie A teams, most games were actually fun to watch not because of one player but because of the whole team he also never lost in Azteca just some things that can be rescued

    So in conclusion w/Lavolpe when the team won, they won games playing good or defending smartly but couldn't get far. w/ Hugo they win but playing ugly, they also seem to advance in tournaments. If Hugo culd just combine the good stuff lavolpe left with his winning mentality then i see the team really contending for 2010
     
  24. gvfatlas

    gvfatlas Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    GDL
    Club:
    CF Atlas Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Oswaldo didn't play a single game in the WC2002 and he barely played under Aguirre. Carmona was already there you are right. But besides Osorio, Salcido, etc... he brought a lot of interesting players to the NT; Pineda, Zinha, Castro, Corona, Mendez, Guardado, Pity(even though he dissapeared).

    That's why it's a different story, cause those goals weren't met. And just like you I'm not happy about that. And you're right that any clown can debut players, but not anybody can put together such a solid team like that and make them play good. All we needed was somebody to score.

    Bofo played in Copa America 2004, he even scored a goal against Ecuador. He was obviously dropped cause he sucks and that's why you shouldn't include him in your list. Cuauh also played with Lavolpe but he was dropped after he decided to go on vacation for Confed. Cup.

    Yes, Hugo's team went further in Copa America, but if you want to measure success with wins and tournaments, like you do in the previous paragraph; then Hugo didn't do that great since we lost the Gold Cup.

    Lavolpe's only achievement was winning the Gold Cup at Home, and he didn't have to play the United States. When Lavolpe played the Gold Cup in the United States, he did much worse than Hugo, lost to south africa and colombia's U23 team. hahaha.[/QUOTE]

    He won the Gold Cup at home, yes. But did you see the roster we had?? No Rafa, no Torrado, no Cuauh. Osorno, Chato, Israel Lopez, Chiquis, that tells you that he was able to put a team that played effectively and win games even if the players weren't the best we had. Plus we beat a rather strong Brazil B team, twice.

    In the second Gold Cup I agree that we got embarrased, but once again look at the roster and starting line-ups: Moy Munoz, Maza, Jerry Galindo, Marquez Lugo, Padilla, at least he tried different players in the NT.
     
  25. El Cabrito

    El Cabrito Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Ca
    This is stupid...

    Compare Apples to Apples instead of picking and choosing what you want to suit your arguments.

    1) Hugo played a Copa America and a Gold Cup away from home. So lets compare what La Volpe did in a Copa America Away and at a Gold Cup Away. And the winner is .... Hugo Sanchez. Who's team outpreformed LaVolpes team in both tournaments.

    2) Hugo also had to face two tournaments in two months, as luck would have it so did LaVolpe. Again Hugo got a Second Place finish and a Third Place finish... LaVolpe finished 4th in Confed and was eliminated in the second round of the Gold Cup... Once again winner is Hugo Sanchez


    Don't forget that it wasn't just Hugo that spoke out against LaVolpe... If I recall correctly, other coaches spoke out against LaVolpe and his comments, mostly because he's freakin duche that constantly kept putting his foot in his mouth. Seriously Hugo has not threatened to quit yet, hasn't alluded to the fact that there isn't enough talent in Mexico, and hasn't promised to attack a team only to come out and make their best nads impersonation.
     

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