The "I Was Wrong" Thread

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by JC7rox, Apr 20, 2007.

  1. JC7rox

    JC7rox Member+

    Manchester United FC, LAFC
    Jun 11, 2004
    West Coast, Cali!
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Well, as a male, I know its always hard to concede that I was wrong, about anything. I wasn't wrong about the car running out of gas. I wasn't wrong about being able to push the car to the gasoline station. I wasn't wrong when I didn't have enough money to buy gas. Shit happens. But lets face it. We've all been wrong about one thing or another. More likely than not, we've been wrong more than we've been right. This is a thread to admit your faults, United-related. Whether it is formation based, player-based, this season, last season, five years ago, wrong about wanting Fergie out, Ronaldo out, etc., etc. This is also for the ladies, who are also wrong more than they are right......:p

    I don't mind conceding to the fact that I was wrong about Carrick. To me, he was a DLP, and it would be difficult to see him adding more depth to his game. Watching him charge forward early in the season, he seemed maladroit and awkward when the ball landed at his feet. Because I didn't see a stern defensive harasser, I didn't feel that the Scholes-Carrick partnership could work on a consistent basis, and I felt that Carrick would only make our midfield easier to roll through.

    I was wrong.

    Now, I'm not willing to concede the fact that Scholesy's goal output is low because of Carrick, but that doesn't make a difference because it is now Carrick that is putting himself in those positions. He is two-footed, an excellent passer, and he has great chemistry with the lads. He fights for the shirt, and that is something that I didn't believe he had in him. I like this cat so much, I feel very secure in his pricetag, and that is something that put me off to him very much when we bought him. I was wrong about Carrick. He has surpassed any kind of expectations that I could have had. I feel foolish having argued against him. I'm also glad that I was wrong in so many ways. I feel our midfield should be shaped around this guy, and the new mutation of a formation that is being bandied about by the likes of DS and Teso, with Carrick and Fletcher in front of the back four, is a thrilling prospective. I'm glad I was wrong about this cat, and I'm now looking into getting me a Carrick16 shirt. Damn, that is hard to imagine.

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  2. barthez4

    barthez4 Member

    Apr 1, 2005
    To be fair, I doubt that even the people who championed Carrick the most could have honestly expected him to turn into the player that he is today. Instead of coming clean to us, just say "Thanks Fergie".
     
  3. lex fg

    lex fg Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Nairobi / Manchester
    Nice post.

    I think I must admit that I was wrong about Cristiano Ronaldo. I never said this publicly, but deep down I thought his Premiership years would remain a player of outstanding potential but just on the wrong side of putting it to good use. I thought he would leave for Madrid for a decent amount of money this summer, or next year, and there finally become the player he has the potential to be; in the histrionic-friendly and soft-tackling Liga. Oh, how wrong I was!

    Darren Fletcher and John O'Shea: I wouldn't really say I was 'wrong', but I was a touch pessimistic about where they'd be now. I thought they'd for a while remain young players who, for lack of constant first-team opportunities, are decent but no more. Both of them have really impressed me this year; you'd be hard pressed to find as useful a utility player as Johnny, and Darren is set to become one of the top midfielders in the game, having shown his promise in probably the best individual performance of the season.

    To quell the disgusting feeling inside me that arises from the mix of testosterone and admission of wrong-doing, I'd like to add that I think I was spot on about Carrick. I knew the guy had quality, I was very happy when we signed him. To be honest, I was a bit surprised at his lack of goals at first; I know he's never been prolific but I thought playing in a red shirt, especially with the license to bomb forward, he'd be bagging goals from the out. Better late than never in that respect. In most other respects (keeping passing moves going, playing killer balls across the field) he was good from day 1, but recently it's how he WANTS the ball and applies his style of play to the game when he gets it, and his more confident tackling that have improved. As with any new player, I knew we'd see glimpses of quality from the beginning, but only later would we really see him taking games by the scruff of the neck, and I'm glad that has come now, in squeaky-bum time in his first season.

    So I was right about that :cool:
     
  4. Mac_Howard

    Mac_Howard New Member

    Mar 5, 2002
    Mandurah, Perth, WA
    This will be one of the shortest threads ever - but I could be wrong :)
     
  5. barthez4

    barthez4 Member

    Apr 1, 2005
    I was wrong about Giggs' role this season. I really thought that this season would be the time for Park or a new purchase to come in and take over the left wing, as I had no idea that Giggs would play as well as he has this year. Most of us knew he was intelligent, but even so, it's hard to imagine a player like 90's-early2000's Giggs being a difference maker without his incredible pace.
     
  6. MightyMouse

    MightyMouse BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 19, 2003
    Island paradise east of the mainland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How about those of you who may have hated the new ownership? Not making the right moves? They only won the Prem mostly.
     
  7. lex fg

    lex fg Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Nairobi / Manchester
    ******** the Glazers, and I'm not wrong about that.

    How much did we spend last summer? -2m pounds. This January window? 0m. So if we win the league this year, it's Fergie's doing. And if you consider spurious spending despite being debt-ridden a sign of their undying love for United, wait for it to begin before praising them for it.
     
  8. MightyMouse

    MightyMouse BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 19, 2003
    Island paradise east of the mainland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No doubt its Fergie, but they do what Fergie wants, thats the way it goes.
     
  9. 433tom

    433tom New Member

    Jun 16, 2006
    If Smith can maintain his game at his current level, I will say I was definately wrong about Smith. Aside from his great start at United in his first 12 games (a bit of a flash in a pan I thought), I did not think he had the quality to start up front for United. I never doubted his heart, but doubted his abilities.
     
  10. Rakim_22

    Rakim_22 Member

    Manchester United
    Netherlands
    Sep 6, 2004
    Florida
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I was completely wrong about Poof and Carrick. Completely wrong. Thought they were massive wastes of funds but boy was I wrong.
     
  11. Republic of Mancunia

    Aug 24, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I dunno, I've probably been wrong about alot but don't even remember what I say on here from one day to the next. That's the beauty of often sitting on the fence and sometimes being fickle. :p

    Speaking of which, what happens if you confess to being wrong about something then it turns out you were right after all? (Players going through a hot patch right now, for example).
     
  12. Invincible

    Invincible Member+

    Mar 28, 2004
    Sanctuary
    I admit I was wrong about Ferguson. I wasn't around to witness Ferguson destroy and build a new side before so I didn't understand what he was thinking from 2003-onwards. Now I know he had a vision of what he wanted, and we're seeing it today. In the future when things get rough again I'll be more patient.
     
  13. Dark Savante

    Dark Savante Member

    Apr 24, 2002
    Become the Tea Pot!!
    This is a good thread. I wish more people would step forward...

    From my perspective I make a lot of threads that involve projection, speculation, hypotheses and all the rest of the fun stuff before the fact so logically I should get a lot more things wrong than those who are more reserved and only post on things once they're clear as day.

    I think two things I've gotten wrong that are quite clear now are David Jones and Baptista.

    In my defence Jones wasn't even given the chance to fail, but that's academic in the big picture as I was certain he'd make an impact here and he didn't, for whatever reason.

    As for Baptista, I don't think I got the player wrong at all, It takes many two seasons to really settle and perform in England, but what I got totally wrong about him was his bottle and heart. He's shocked me with his unwillingness to adapt to the English game, chosing to bleat about it rather than pull his sleeves up is most unbecoming of a man known as 'the beast' :rolleyes: I still think he would make a big impact here if he would pull his thumb out his mouth, but he's really let me down and proven me totally wrong with his fortitude. The man's a big ********** and he should be ashamed of himself.

    Hmm.. Perhaps it's selective memory but I can't remember getting anything blatantly, 100% wrong. I'm sure someone will be along to alphamatise and present in dated form soon enough... lol
     
  14. Stud83

    Stud83 Member+

    Jun 1, 2005
    I was really wrong about Evra. I was waaay to quick to make a judgement on him when he got here and really thought he had no chance of making it here. Really glad I was wrong in that case. :)

    Also, I'd like to say that I wouldn't mind people here calling out others (me particularly) on being wrong. It's just that there were so many different threads and discussions I participated in - hard to remember all the ones that eventually tuned out to be proven wrong.
     
  15. Sapphire

    Sapphire Moderator

    Jun 29, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, before the season got underway, I predicted we'd finish second behind Pool, so . . .

    I also didn't see what was so great about Fletcher until he definitively broke through. I thought Fergie was making a big mistake by continuing to invest in him in the midfield.

    I was wrong about letting Ruud go. He would not fit into our new system, that sexy, sexy man. Sigh.

    I already publicly apologized to Saha for my firm belief that he wouldn't bounce back after playing second string to Larsson. Before his injury, he was playing so well though.

    I had NO IDEA what Ronaldo was capable of. I thought he was exceptionally talented but didn't understand his limits, and that he would eventually settle down, buckle in, and become a solid, disciplined player. In a way, he has done that if you replace "solid" with "spectacular", but he's also currently an exploding phenom, who knows where the limit of his potential will be?

    I was wrong about Oshea. He's a good squaddie. Let's not lose sight of the real enemies: Krich and Silvestre.

    I think I've also referred to Van der Sar as a "wall" and/or a "rock" throughout this season. Yeah. :eek: I still maintain that he's the most solid keeper in the post-Schmeical era, however.

    That's all for now.
     
  16. Stud83

    Stud83 Member+

    Jun 1, 2005
    Also, I was wrong about Richardson. :( When he was at West Ham, I was really happy for him and given his importance to the team, I really thought he was gonna have a bright future here. And he really does possess all the physical qualities to be a very good player. But his attitude and work ethic unfortunately leave a lot to be desired and I am almost ready to give up on him. :(
     
  17. JC7rox

    JC7rox Member+

    Manchester United FC, LAFC
    Jun 11, 2004
    West Coast, Cali!
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You were wrong again, Stud. He was at West Brom, not West Ham.:D :) Luv ya!
     
  18. Stud83

    Stud83 Member+

    Jun 1, 2005
    Well, this might be the first thread ever that I would lead in posts. :cool:
     
  19. ILLAB

    ILLAB New Member

    Jul 5, 2004
    I was wrong about Christiano, I always thought he was a little too much style and not enough substance. He held on to the ball too long, and fell to the ground too easy. After the World Cup I assumed he'd alienated all the English players and we'd be better off selling him and using the money and a Ribery-level player.

    Apologizes also to Giggs and Scholes who have stepped up their games at an age I was expecting a dropoff and Vidic who has proven he can provide a solid central defense partnership with Rio for many years to come.
     
  20. Howard Zinn

    Howard Zinn Member

    Aug 9, 2005
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Count me in the camp that was wrong about Ronaldo on just about everything.

    I never thought he had the talent he is displaying right now, never thought he would not only adapt to but dominate the EPL the way is right now, and certainly never thought he would commit his long-term future to us as he seems to have done with that new contract.

    Of course, I'm happy to have been wrong about him, but man do I look like a idiot. :D
     
  21. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    wow, I would never have thought a thread wouldn't apply to me.
     
  22. prymetyme

    prymetyme Member

    Aug 20, 2005
    Vallendar
    I was wrong about O'Shea, he isn't as terrible as I once said he was.
    I was wrong about RvN as much as I loved him, he wouldn't be doing anything in our system right now.
    I was wrong about Saha, he is a whiney little bitch. He should suck it up and actually play a match for us.
    I was wrong about Vidic, he has been absolute class this year.


    I was right about... arsenal!:D
     
  23. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is true. Someone please create an "I am constantly wrong" thread so that SirManc doesn't feel left out.

    :p


    As for me, I was wrong about Evra. Quality defender once he adjusted to the play of the team.

    I was wrong about Scholes. I thought he would have trouble coming back after his eye condition. For some reason though, I was more optimistic about Solskjaer. Weird.
     
  24. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    :D Well, I'm serious, I can't recall the last time I was serious about anything United-related. I made no silly claims nor did I assume one player would flop or not. And I really don't mean to come off as full of myself.

    Perhaps I was wrong regarding other teams. Let me think...
     
  25. Poborsky

    Poborsky Member

    Well, I pimped Carrick all last season and summer, so I was right on that one. But over the years, I've definitely gotten my share wrong:

    1) I was gutted we didn't sign Damien Duff last year. I wanted him before he went to Chelsea, which would have been good, but the fact that I would have been fine with spending 15 million on him last summer appears to have been a miscalculation.

    2) I really thought Kleberson would become an asset to the club.

    3) Right now my predicted Prem Table is right from 1-4, but I had West Ham finishing 5th.

    4) I think Torres is an awful option to be United's next big striker buy. I could be spectacularly wrong there, since if he succeeds, it will be in a big way.

    5) I thought that Hasselbaink would have been a good summer free transfer, since he's rarely injured and used to a bench role. I think I overestimated his current talents based on past performance.

    6) I'm sure there are others...
     

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