The Zidane thread - merged with rumors.

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by metro1026, Feb 6, 2007.

  1. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC

    Which is why we have MLS general forums for folks from other forums to talk about what they think is best for MLS. I'm not trying to mod this forum - I just don't want to read how non-fans would love it if Zidane went to Chicago especially when I'm pissed about the prospect.
     
  2. ag nigrin

    ag nigrin Member

    Mar 4, 2002
    NJ, USA
    I have faith in Bruce and if Zidane goes to Chicago I wouldn't be that pissed... BA knows and has worked well with Claudio over the years while we have no idea how Zizou would be w/ the Bulls... Granted Zizou would fill more seats but I would rather have a tight team that is winning first and worry about filling the seats post facto... Besides we need a striker not another midfielder...
     
  3. ag nigrin

    ag nigrin Member

    Mar 4, 2002
    NJ, USA
    Ok but the best way to answer Chica and LA's signings would be to beat them!
     
  4. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    Yeah, but....if Houston signs someone from Mexico...does Toronto really need to know about it? DK is right. If he was coming to NY, it's a NY issue. If he's going to Chicago, and you have Chicago fans talking to NY about how good it is for Chicago...it's not a NY issue.

    I'm not really sure there's a point to this thread anymore, to be honest.

    We should either keep in on NY, or close it. I can do without- no disrespect intended- JoeW telling NY his opinion on what they should or should not do with their cap.
     
  5. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I'm hopeful that this team can do well with Reyna in the middle, I just don't have as much faith in his hamstrings et al to hold up. Zidane not mesh with whatever team he joins? I'm not worried about that one.
     
  6. USMNT

    USMNT New Member

    Oct 28, 2006
    1. That doesn't make any sense. The Red Bulls have been playing 4-5-1 in the preseason. Zidane played at the top of the midfield triangle for France in a 4-5-1 just in this past Cup.

    Reyna is a holding mid and a two-way central midfielder. By now, everyone knows that. He would fit in perfectly behind Zidane in central midfield along with Kovalenko or even Stammler.

    3. Everyone knows that Schopp will not be around in 2008 unless he either takes a pay cut or RB can't find another DP by then. I'm not sure who this journalist is, but he doesn't appear to cover RB.

    4. In your earlier post, you explicitly stated that Zidane "turned down" RB. In this post, you are saying that "negotiations stalled." Those two perspectives are miles apart. Just because negotiations stalled, it doesn't necessarily imply that Zidane turned down RB. Your position was highly speculative.


    It's a bit irritating to see a DC fan come on these boards and try to give all the RB fans pointers and advice when it is clear that he has no idea what he is talking about.
     
  7. j1mbr0wn

    j1mbr0wn Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Newark, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rumor has moved to Chicago, as should this thread. Just my opinion.

    BTW - DK, I know you'd prefer to have Zidane over Reyna, but I'd prefer to have them both in MLS. If they can't be on the same team, so be it. I'm happy we got one of the two. Sucks to be Columbus.
     
  8. Oatmeal

    Oatmeal Member

    Dec 2, 2006
    Any chances AEG (Chicago) and Red Bull are in a bidding war, I mean, it is hard to imagine that we don't have interest in him.
     
  9. Oatmeal

    Oatmeal Member

    Dec 2, 2006
    I am starting to feel a little jipped by Red Bull, if LA has Becks and Chi has Zidane, I would hope we find a way to bring in an international star with our second dp. On MLS Underground it was being talked about clearing salary and using guys as bargaining chips because of the sucess of some of our trialists...maybe we are freeing up cap room for our second dp.
     
  10. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
  11. USMNT

    USMNT New Member

    Oct 28, 2006
    Well, as someone pointed out on another thread, those two teams have something we don't right now: an SSS.

    The ability to take advantage of multiple revenue streams gives those teams a leg up for now. RB may decide that it's not worth shelling out $10mm/yr on a player while we're paying astronomical rent to NJSEA at the same time. As much as I hate to admit it, that is a reasonable decision, and it may imply that we should wait til next year to make a big signing.

    However, that raises a question. Who would be big enough, available on a free and be willing to come? Well, Ronaldo is done with Milan in June of 2008, and he would be 31, which is Beckham's age right now. I don't know who else would fit the criteria.

    On the other hand, if the real thought is that Arena doesn't want any megastars on the team, that would piss me off. Or, if RB doesn't want to commit the funds or just can't negotiate with these stars as well as AEG, that would tick me off also. Lastly, a player like Delgado filling up the 2nd slot for the next 3 years would also make me sick.
     
  12. MLS1FAN

    MLS1FAN Member+

    May 11, 2004
    Miami Beach,FL
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good points, maybe we are freeing up cap room for our 2nd DP...and Figo is still out there looking at his options,he will make up his mind at the end of Inter season...

    http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=232421
     
  13. irishapple21

    irishapple21 Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    I'd rather Figo choked on his own bile and died before playing in MLS after the crap he said about this year with Inter being his last year of soccer "that matters."

    For every Beckham who gets it, we have a hundred Figos who think MLS is a vacation and have no interest in winning a nation to the sport.
     
  14. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    You shouldn't let your personal feelings interfere with the integrity of the forum.
     
  15. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'm sorry but when you have a player that is rumored to be going to two different teams then conversation about said player should be allowed in either teams threads!
     
  16. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    YES let Figo go anywhere but here! We don't need him here!
     
  17. MLS1FAN

    MLS1FAN Member+

    May 11, 2004
    Miami Beach,FL
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. MLS1FAN

    MLS1FAN Member+

    May 11, 2004
    Miami Beach,FL
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. CbR

    CbR Member

    Nov 10, 2000
    Bergen County NJ
    its basically echoing that wash post blog...nothing new there. Goal.com reads the same BS we all do, they just have the luxery of posting it on a very popular domain name
     
  20. soccerwow

    soccerwow Member

    Jul 29, 2005
    NEPA
    The real question is would Zidane be caught wearing a jersey with 2 bulls head butting each other?:rolleyes:
     
  21. jules96

    jules96 New Member

    Oct 23, 2002
    Old Bridge
    I can't imagine that RB would let a name like Zidane go to Chicago. You knew Becks would go to LA but to let Zidane go, to me, would mean that they are waiting for next year.
     
  22. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    No disrespect taken. Nor do I intend my post to either be taunting or telling y'all what to do with your cap. My post was intended as informational.

    Assuming Goff is correct, your team (along with Chicago) did begin negotiations with Zidane so that's a useful confirmation. And there was an active thread on your forum about Zidane so info that he's supposedly negotiating with Chicago is I think useful there. And of course, I completely agree that it's completely appropriate for your mods to decide which threads belong in this forum or don't.

    USMNT--you said there is no indication that Zidane turned down any proposal from Red Bull. Goff does say that negotiations stalled. So that implies that either Zidane asked for something that Red Bull wasn't willing to offer. That doesn't sound plausible to me--your owners (from the loan of Schopp to the buses to RFK last year to exploratory conversations with a lot of big names) have shown a real willingness to spend dollars and go the extra mile. Or Zidane turned down an offer from Red Bull and walked away.

    DK--yes, Sarachan could be right and both Steve Goff and John Dyson (who have independently reported this) could be wrong. Or Zidane could ultimately conclude not to sign. But I suspect that if conversations with Zidane are happening as Goff and Dyson report, than Tim Lieweke of AEG is the guy doing the talking, not Guppy or Sarachan. And Sarachan's qualifying phrase was "as far as I know."

    In any case, it will be interesting, however it plays out.
     
  23. njzorrooo

    njzorrooo Member

    Dec 21, 2005
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I think that to the Red Bull parent company, the marketing benefits of Zidane's pictures with the huge Red Bull logo spread around the world would squash Arena's desire, assuming he would even be against it. Somehow I have a hard time accepting that anyone who knows anything about soccer and the need to market it in the USA would object to having Zidane on his team.

    As for Figo, I would caution everyone to refrain from jumping down his throat about remarks he made unless you're doubly sure he made such remarks. Much of what has been attribute to him saying apparently he didn't say.

    Back to Zidane, I believe that Red Bull has been after him all along. I think that Zadine signing with NY would be bigger news around the world, including the USA, than Beckham's signing with LA. And I think the group that gave us Pele, Shakira, and natural grass for the first game under their name is the kind of group that both wants the publicity and has the deep pockets to make it happen.

    I also think it would make sense to sign him this year. The rent at Giant Stadium is high but they are already committed to it anyway. The increase in attendance would more than pay for itself. Also, it would force a huge jump in season ticket sales for next year because of the limited capacity of Red Bull Park.

    And please, for those of you who type in bold that ZIDANE IS RETIRED, don't say it to me. I lived through the PELE IS RETIRED 70's. And this time, unlike Pele, Zidane wouldn't come to play on a patched-up dirt field like Pele did, and there was no Beckham-like players in the league yet. I think the odds are better now that Zidane would return than they were in the 70's that Pele would. Plus Pele didn't have a headbutt as the one last thing that everyone remembers to want to overcome (although Zidane being French that might be a badge of honor :)).
     
  24. NYC_COSMOS

    NYC_COSMOS BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 13, 2007
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    CA Vélez Sársfield
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    Nice insight! Considering this NOW I'm more than convinced that he's NOT going to the metrobulls.
     
  25. sublicon

    sublicon Member

    RBNY, Fulham FC
    United States
    May 28, 2006
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, our core values are aligned! Lets make this happen!
     

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