The "How Can they Justify Beck's Pay?" thread

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  1. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    No as i understand it unless expressly written into the contract, clubs/MLS retain all rights on jersey sales because the product itself is owned by the league. They have a right to include his name and # on it.

    Now endoursments and other things considered property of the player himself...thats image rights.
     
  2. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    His signing is what it is, but the numbers being thrown around aren't concrete. Until there's an actual confirmation by MLS, the $250 million contract is just as wild a rumor as Ronaldo to RBNY or Palermo to DC.
     
  3. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Like I said in the other thread, they're citing the $250 M number to get media attention and create an impression that MLS is a "big league" product. Seems to have worked all right, at least briefly.

    Considering that Beckham's international image will decline in value starting today, I'm thinking that the $250M/five years estimate is a little speculative.
     
  4. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/football/01/11/beckham/index.html

    So yeah, not very much cash outflow at all, super for the league.
     
  5. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Sorry, you are wrong here. I equate this to Pele coming to NASL. That provided a huge bump in the ratings and credibily of the NASL and helped make them profitable (for a time.) Where the NASL went wrong was when the Cosmos were allowed to go nuts in establishing the only team that could win.

    Not saying there's not some risk here - just saying we are a long way from the issue that killed the NASL.

    I do NOT agree with your caps though - this will ABSOLUTELY HELP THE MARKETING OF MLS AND THE VISIBILITY OF MLS IN THE US!!! :D ;)
     
  6. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Considering that Christian Gomez instantly transformed a mediocre DC United team (and yes, DC fans, your team was mediocre before Gomez arrived -- go look up the record) into the 2004 champions, I'd say that your sarcasm is stupidly misplaced.
     
  7. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    in seven years, when the league needs to re-up for national broadcasts of MLS games, i would think that some of the impact the David Beckham and others will have on the league (and it's image/marketability) will go in some ways to bringing in larger tv deals than SUM was able to negotiate for the '07-14 period.

    come next contract, cycle who knows what networks will (or won't) be willing to pay for MLS content.

    but i now feel certain that David Beckham will work a deal to make sure he is getting paid to comment on those future matches. he can't possibly have as big an ego as Wynalda, can he?
     
  8. SoftTackle

    SoftTackle Member

    Jan 16, 2004
    Missoula, MT
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Using the $250M figure is a big mistake, in my opinion. First, when the non-fan finally figures it out it will look so Bush League. The Bulls didn't claim they signed Jordan for a 5 year $450M deal, adding in all his endorsements. Secondly, most people will just see the 5 yr $250M deal and just be disgusted as they were with A-Rod. Thirdly, if they are not initially disgusted they will be when they watch a match and he doesn't absolute dominate, as is fairly impossible in soccer for a single player to do, blowing away wildly over-hyped expectations.
     
  9. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    both impacts are important. the on the field and the off the field.

    if Beckham achieves both, that would be a bonus. MLS really just needs him to keep smiling and speaking reasonably-understandable English.

    there will be other players to carry the torch on the field, but Becks is a huge IMAGE for the league now.
     
  10. myshap

    myshap Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Per the CBA, the players get a portion of the licensing revenue.
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    I was wondering when someone would work "bush league" into this discussion!

    Congratulations, Snapperhead! You did it!

    BTW, just for the benefit of everybody too young or too stupid: The Pele signing didn't bankrupt the NASL. Thanks for playing.
     
  12. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    i don't think MLS or LAG every claimed the deal was that big. media outlets immediately factored in in the endorsements/image portions.

    the facts will be presented at $3mil/year for soccer, and the other stuff is just like how Tiger Woods makes most of his money. the average fan/person can understand that.

    also, when the Bulls signed Jordan they were signing a reasonably successful college hoops player. Jordan built himself into the mega-star marketable money-maker that he is. LAG/MLS are signing Becks as an already built mega-star marketable money-maker, so those facts can and should be reported. the same thing happened when Jordan signed with the Wizards, there was talk about how he could open a DC restaurant and take advantage (although there weren't many) of new marketing opportunities in DC.
     
  13. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Great, eminently reasonable post.
     
  14. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    for specific player replica jerseys, is it on a per-player basis, or is it collective?

    i.e., does Adu get more than Heaps, because more Adu jerseys are sold, or do the players all get a share of the collective pot of all jersey sales (those with and without a specific or any named player printed on the back)?
     
  15. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    If AEG wants to shell out $3 million/year to Becks and allow him to keep his image rights, more power to them.
     
  16. usbfc

    usbfc New Member

    Sep 8, 2000
    New York City
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    What you're missing dear TR, is that soccer will not thrive or survive in America simply because of such fanfare. This fanfare will die down in a short time (as quickly as it began) and you'll be left with a nation watching a game that they don't understand, don't know how to view, and don't know how to support. The soccer culture must grow slowly here in the country. I'm all for Beckham being here, but I'm not certain that this is the best deal for the future of American soccer if MLS drains its pockets too much.

    Until half the nation will raise a glass or rise grateful clapping at a well-timed slide tackle or the choice of a defender to give up a throw-in instead of a corner... Until the nation can sit glued in front of a match for 45 minutes without scoring or commercials and experience nail-biting... Until supporters clubs measure in the tens of thousands, not hundreds...

    Soccer in America is on precarious ground when it comes to spending this kind of money. Having said that, with Anschutz worth in excess of 7 billion (i believe), this is not too much of a blow if he were to absorb the entire cost. I'm guessing that's not happening, though.

    Time will tell. I'm excited and nervous to see how this will play out.
     
  17. MarvelousNTx

    MarvelousNTx Member

    Jan 11, 2007
    Arlington --AggTown
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Beckham at 3 million is not as bad. Still wayyyy too much, but not as bad. I would rather have Dempsey at 3 million, Eddie Johnson at 3 million, Robinho at 10 million, Christiano Ronaldo at 10 million. Young guys that make the league better and that way other young worldwide players will follow. Then few years later, the stadium that seats 20,000 might not be big enough anymore, and lucrative worldwide t.v deals might not be a dream. That's how you become the best in the world. Not by giving out deals that don't really make your team better. At the end of the day, L.A Galaxy still suck, David Beckham aint changin that, and No one watches a loosing or even mediocre team. Especially loosing soccer team.
    The only way this works is if L.A has quick success, and I mean quick, otherwise the novelty of Beckham will wear off real quick. Hey, the Raiders have 1 of the best wide receivers in history at this moment, and no one could care less. That's what 2 wins gets you.
     
  18. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Another great post. Thanks.
     
  19. SoftTackle

    SoftTackle Member

    Jan 16, 2004
    Missoula, MT
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    Congratulations on being completely oblivious. The Cosmos signed Pele among others, making themselves a super team. Everybody else went bankrupt attempting to compete with the super team. The non-retard can connect the dots.
     
  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    a - "half the nation" ain't gonna happen. That just isn't going to happen in this country.

    b - Nothing that happened today will prevent America from getting more interested in soccer. The other stuff, the slow progress, can happen too.
     
  21. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!

    How do you propose we convince robinho and C Ronaldo to come to MLS for anyamount at this stage of their careers. EJ -- who failed to impress at Reading -- at $3 mill better than Backham? Good lord.
     
  22. Reverend Paul

    Reverend Paul Member

    Dec 23, 1999
    San Clemente
    Re: The 'let's financially justify 4 yr/36m for Beckham' thread

    In this case? No. Ticket prices will go up, but for the same reason any ticket prices go up. Demand.
     
  23. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: The 'let's financially justify 4 yr/36m for Beckham' thread

    It's probably accurate in that the total deal is worth $250 million to Becks. His total paycheck (paycheque for you UKers) is probably closer to $40 million over 5 years. The rest of the money comes from sponsorship opportunities and perhaps payment for Beck's image rights. As far as MLS is concerned, they pay him $400K and the rest of the money comes directly from AEG. Two hands in the same pot, I know, but it is a crucial distinction, as MLS continues to add more investors.

    Sachin
     
  24. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Re: 5 years $250million- THEY WERE KIDDING RIGHT?!!!!!


    it's not as if AEG is "allowing him to keep his image right", it is simply a difference in how employment (and the established/traditional personal marketing rights for contracted players) within the US sports leagues differs from employment contracts in La Liga, for instance.
     

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