Noticias de Colombianos en el exterior (r)

BigSoccer Bot · Dec 28, 2006

News: Colombiano Herly AlcÃ¡zar jugarÃ¡ en el O'Higgins chileno

El jugador llegarÃ¡ a Chile en los prÃ³ximos dÃ**as para firmar el contrato y unirse a la plantilla que dirige el tÃ©cnico Jorge GarcÃ©s, dijeron los dirigentes, que no entregaron detalles sobre el monto de la operaciÃ³n.

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lfsr1544 · Dec 28, 2006

crzdcolombian said: ↑

only reason uruguay exports so many players is because alot of them have european ancestry that makes it easy for them to play in europe not because their players are better... when teh last time uruguay has won something
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I'm not claiming that Uruguay doesn't have an edge because of their ancestry BUT their football system and play is MUCH BETTER suited FOR EUROPE then the Colombian tournament. So they adapt much better and much quicker. They are also a cheaper "Argentinian" in a sense as they both play with a similar style so, it's like a 3 for 1 special when they shop in Uruguay. Last but not least, remember if "we" were that great, at least 1 out of 2 of our exports would be superstars...

crzdcolombian · Dec 28, 2006

what uruguayan player is a super star.... dont say Forlan because thats like saying JPA they were good one year and now suck.

colombia has the whole drug image against us, players r too expensive and not european and our better players are black.

crzdcolombian · Dec 28, 2006

i was looking at wipecka and it says that Wason Renteria is in Inters B squad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF happened he was INters 2nd best striker in the copa libs had 3 goals and only played like 20 mins total, Sobis started every game and only had 4 goals !!!!

that is bs

lfsr1544 · Dec 28, 2006

crzdcolombian said: ↑

what uruguayan player is a super star.... dont say Forlan because thats like saying JPA they were good one year and now suck.

colombia has the whole drug image against us, players r too expensive and not european and our better players are black.
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with all due respect, Forlan had more then just 1 ok year... the guy was THE leading scorer in the liga in a mid-table team.

What about Recoba? Carini? Montero? Dario Silva... European teams could give two %^&* about color of skin...their fans on the other hand, are another thing.

crzdcolombian · Dec 28, 2006

lfsr1544 said: ↑

with all due respect, Forlan had more then just 1 ok year... the guy was THE leading scorer in the liga in a mid-table team.

What about Recoba? Carini? Montero? Dario Silva... European teams could give two %^&* about color of skin...their fans on the other hand, are another thing.
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recoba is like the 5th or 6th choice striker in inter, carini is the 3rd string goalie in inter, Montero is like 1000 yrs old why dont we talk about Asprilla then, Dario Silva isnt playing any more he has 1 leg.

Its like us braging about abel aguilar in italy, or renteria in inter or toja being in river haha..

ryu79 · Dec 28, 2006

crzdcolombian said: ↑

recoba is like the 5th or 6th choice striker in inter, carini is the 3rd string goalie in inter, Montero is like 1000 yrs old why dont we talk about Asprilla then, Dario Silva isnt playing any more he has 1 leg.

Its like us braging about abel aguilar in italy, or renteria in inter or toja being in river haha..
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That's utter madness. Recoba WAS Inter's offense for a several years and is very highly respected. Forlan was pichichi on a midtable side and drove Villareal (with Riquelme's help!) into the Champions semis (as much as I hate his style, its undeniable that he has triumphed in Spain). Montero may be 1000 but he is a god in Juve. Talking down their accomplishments is just silly. Fortunately for us, Uruguay's is probably the only federation in SA thats worse run than ours! How they aren't awesome is BIZARRE.

The fact is that precedents matter. There are so many Uruguayans all over Europe so folks are more comfortable taking that risk and the infrastructure (relationships between clubs and agents) are in place to facilitate those transfers more easily than ours.

ryu79 · Dec 28, 2006

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Dos más a Brasil
Dic 28 de 2006
Dos jugadores que militaron con América la temporada anterior están muy cerca de vincularse con el Atlético Paranaense.

Se trata del juvenil volante Edwin Valencia y del arquero Julián Viáfara. Ambos jugadores deberán presentarse al el 3 de enero para realizarse los exámenes médicos e iniciar la pretemporada con el conjunto brasilero.

Valencia y Viáfara se unen al también colombiano y ex América David Ferreira quien milita en al Paranaense hace varias temporadas.

En el club de Curitiba también militó el hoy delantero del Deportivo Cali, Sergio ‘Barranca’ Herrera.
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That's terrific news. Atl Paranaense is a very well run side and Curitiba is a fascinating city (I am very eager to visit one day from all I've read about it).

I hope Valencia proves to be as terrific as SCLM has said, I've only seen a few highlights here and there, but would love to see an America alum kicking butt.

Siempreconlamecha · Dec 29, 2006

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no dice si es compra o prestamo? y por cuanto....

ese Valencia es material de seleccion, como fue su nivel en los ultimos 5 meses?

mechita? estas allliiiiiii
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These deals are almost always loans, hard to find a straight up transfer from Colombia to anywhere (without the initial trial period).
About Valencia, he's one of my favorite Colombian players and definately was the most well rounded player for america. I couldn't understand why he was sent down to train with the reserves and now the team might lose him for nothing.

efernandez9 · Dec 29, 2006

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Next o Argentina and Brazil, Uruguay exports more players then any other country. The Uruguayan league has always been dominated by the 2 big teams (Penarol/Nacional). Using his talent in the Coap Libertadores with a Penarol would be an excellent proposition that would give him a higher billing. Other then Nacional, Penarol IS the team to play for in Uruguay and is still considered a contender in every tourney.

Is the thing with Ospina already confirmed? Lara has NOT made any clear decisions either way.... tough choice, but it's a good 'headache to have'.
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you get to europe, only if you are in Pablo casals' payroll

the mogul of futbol Uruguayo and owner of tenfiled.com

lfsr1544 · Dec 29, 2006

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That's utter madness. Recoba WAS Inter's offense for a several years and is very highly respected. Forlan was pichichi on a midtable side and drove Villareal (with Riquelme's help!) into the Champions semis (as much as I hate his style, its undeniable that he has triumphed in Spain). Montero may be 1000 but he is a god in Juve. Talking down their accomplishments is just silly. Fortunately for us, Uruguay's is probably the only federation in SA thats worse run than ours! How they aren't awesome is BIZARRE.

The fact is that precedents matter. There are so many Uruguayans all over Europe so folks are more comfortable taking that risk and the infrastructure (relationships between clubs and agents) are in place to facilitate those transfers more easily than ours.
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couldn't of said it better.... BTW, other then the FUF and FCF, the Peruvian Feds are by far the worst!

crzdcolombian · Dec 29, 2006

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That's utter madness. Recoba WAS Inter's offense for a several years and is very highly respected. Forlan was pichichi on a midtable side and drove Villareal (with Riquelme's help!) into the Champions semis (as much as I hate his style, its undeniable that he has triumphed in Spain). Montero may be 1000 but he is a god in Juve. Talking down their accomplishments is just silly. Fortunately for us, Uruguay's is probably the only federation in SA thats worse run than ours! How they aren't awesome is BIZARRE.

The fact is that precedents matter. There are so many Uruguayans all over Europe so folks are more comfortable taking that risk and the infrastructure (relationships between clubs and agents) are in place to facilitate those transfers more easily than ours.
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check the stats for Forlan this year and Check Angels... Angel has better numbers and is in a worse team and played less games has more goals.

No one can argue that Villareal is 100x better than Aston Villa, Forlan is good because he HAS RIQUILEME !!!! Who is like Pibe and give u freebe goals that ur mom can make. Montero isnt playing any more nor is Silva so u cant bring them up... or Ill just bring up Asprilla or tren valencia, someone like that.

I am a huge Inter fan but Recorba is and always has been a 3rd choice striker now he is even lower because we got 2 more quality strikers.

at inter its Cruz, Crespo, Ibrahimovic, Andriano, Recorba.... any more smart comments? Not saying Recorba isnt good or that if he was in a smaller team he wouldnt be a starter but at into he is a small fish and isnt important.

Uruguay has alot of players in europe because they have a closer ancestry than we do.... (THERE WHITE !) while our best players are not the only ones that I can think of that are are Angel and Yepes, all the other european based players are black or tan ex: l.Perea,e.perea, guarin, zapata, congo,mosquera, aguilar etc.

not saying they are racist just the european player rule is hard to get by and our best players are black and dont have european ancestry so they dont go to europe.

ryu79 · Dec 29, 2006

crzdcolombian said: ↑

check the stats for Forlan this year and Check Angels... Angel has better numbers and is in a worse team and played less games has more goals.

No one can argue that Villareal is 100x better than Aston Villa, Forlan is good because he HAS RIQUILEME !!!! Who is like Pibe and give u freebe goals that ur mom can make. Montero isnt playing any more nor is Silva so u cant bring them up... or Ill just bring up Asprilla or tren valencia, someone like that.

I am a huge Inter fan but Recorba is and always has been a 3rd choice striker now he is even lower because we got 2 more quality strikers.

at inter its Cruz, Crespo, Ibrahimovic, Andriano, Recorba.... any more smart comments? Not saying Recorba isnt good or that if he was in a smaller team he wouldnt be a starter but at into he is a small fish and isnt important.

Uruguay has alot of players in europe because they have a closer ancestry than we do.... (THERE WHITE !) while our best players are not the only ones that I can think of that are are Angel and Yepes, all the other european based players are black or tan ex: l.Perea,e.perea, guarin, zapata, congo,mosquera, aguilar etc.

not saying they are racist just the european player rule is hard to get by and our best players are black and dont have european ancestry so they dont go to europe.
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Angel is a great player. One of my favorites actually, so I'd never argue that Forlan is better than him - but that doesn't mean Forlan hasn't been a big hit in Spain. It just shows how much circumstances can matter, Forlan flopped in England before making it in Spain. How does recognizing that Juan Pablo is terrific change the fact that Forlan has been top scorer in La Liga?

Second, Recoba has been an fixture on Inter's wings for YEARS. He is not a centreforward so the comparison you are making (to Cruz, Crespo, et al) is irrelevant. He may not be their first choice now after years of service, but that doesn't change the legacy he has there. He was declared untransferrable a few years back when several clubs expressed interest in him.

You're racial argument is baseless. While fans in these countries are notoriously rascist, the all mighty dollar and the fact that African and Latin players come at dramatically lower transfer fees all but nullify this impact. One of Uruguay's most successful exports for example is Zabalayeta who has been at Juve forever. Uruguay also has several mestizo players in Europe, in fact, they probably have more mestizo players in Europe than we do! Aguilar is our great hope in midfield and he is benched at Udine behind...you guessed it a NIGERIAN player.

If you are trying to argue that Colombia has players just as good as Uruguay's just waiting for a chance - hold your breath. No one is arguing with you. We are all Colombian on here, love our players and believe in them. The point is that based on pre-existing relationships, tradition, infrastructure and basic familiarity, Uruguay's football community is ahead of us in terms of having the institutions in place to facilitate export of players.

We are catching up and have sent over a great generation of ambassadors in JPA, IRC and MAY that will hopefully leave a positive impression and encourage further investment from our friends over seas, but we are lying to ourselves if we think for a minute that our players aren't at a disadvantage to those of Brasilian, Uruguayan and Argentine decent whose clubs have an established track record of exporting players that triumph in Europe. Indeed, all three of those players were exported by Argentine clubs, only after showing they could play in that league. Ironically, the most successful straight to Europe transfer in recent years has been Bolano, who has been at Parma for years is beloved there and somehow gets no attention back home. To attribute our inability to place players directly in Europe to racism, is to pass the buck and ignore the steps that need to be taken both by our players when they go abroad and our clubs when they negotiate and market our players to foreign teams in order to improve the situation.

Siempreconlamecha · Dec 29, 2006

ryu79 said: ↑

Angel is a great player. One of my favorites actually, so I'd never argue that Forlan is better than him - but that doesn't mean Forlan hasn't been a big hit in Spain. It just shows how much circumstances can matter, Forlan flopped in England before making it in Spain. How does recognizing that Juan Pablo is terrific change the fact that Forlan has been top scorer in La Liga?

Second, Recoba has been an fixture on Inter's wings for YEARS. He is not a centreforward so the comparison you are making (to Cruz, Crespo, et al) is irrelevant. He may not be their first choice now after years of service, but that doesn't change the legacy he has there. He was declared untransferrable a few years back when several clubs expressed interest in him.

You're racial argument is baseless. While fans in these countries are notoriously rascist, the all mighty dollar and the fact that African and Latin players come at dramatically lower transfer fees all but nullify this impact. One of Uruguay's most successful exports for example is Zabalayeta who has been at Juve forever. Uruguay also has several mestizo players in Europe, in fact, they probably have more mestizo players in Europe than we do! Aguilar is our great hope in midfield and he is benched at Udine behind...you guessed it a NIGERIAN player.

If you are trying to argue that Colombia has players just as good as Uruguay's just waiting for a chance - hold your breath. No one is arguing with you. We are all Colombian on here, love our players and believe in them. The point is that based on pre-existing relationships, tradition, infrastructure and basic familiarity, Uruguay's football community is ahead of us in terms of having the institutions in place to facilitate export of players.

We are catching up and have sent over a great generation of ambassadors in JPA, IRC and MAY that will hopefully leave a positive impression and encourage further investment from our friends over seas, but we are lying to ourselves if we think for a minute that our players aren't at a disadvantage to those of Brasilian, Uruguayan and Argentine decent whose clubs have an established track record of exporting players that triumph in Europe. Indeed, all three of those players were exported by Argentine clubs, only after showing they could play in that league. Ironically, the most successful straight to Europe transfer in recent years has been Bolano, who has been at Parma for years is beloved there and somehow gets no attention back home. To attribute our inability to place players directly in Europe to racism, is to pass the buck and ignore the steps that need to be taken both by our players when they go abroad and our clubs when they negotiate and market our players to foreign teams in order to improve the situation.
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I believe that more Uruguayos have had greater impact in Europe than Colombianos (which is a greater achievement if you compare population sizes between the two countries), but I don't believe it is because of their national league(As it was stated before, there are only two teams that matter in Uruguay; whereas anybody can win in Colombia ). If we didn't send as many players to Europe as Uruguay, then I would agree that playing in Uruguay is better than the Colombian league for getting to Europe. But the fact is that we are exporting players, but very few of these players are making great impact. And I believe we have better raw talent than Uruguay which I believe is evidenced by youth tournaments.

I would argue that the problem lies in the mentality of a Colombian player, which is easily corrupted to alcohol and lazyness. The Argentine/Brazilian/Uruguayo appears to have a mentality that is better suited for success under those conditions. I believe the fault is in the club youth systems that too often ignore psychological and educational aspects of personal development in these players, and the player as a person isn't suited for the lifestyle.

Now, the Argentine/Brazilian leagues do however have more credibility to European teams, because success in these leagues more consistently means success in Europe which absolutely can't be said about the Colombian league. So transfering to those leagues is helpful towards an eventual transfer to Europe.

crzdcolombian · Dec 29, 2006

Otro que interesa al Paranaense
Dic 29 de 2006
El defensor Andrés Felipe González recibió una oferta del Atlético Paranaense para militar con ese club en el 2007. El jugador que está en libertad luego que el conjunto chileno Colo Colo, donde militó todo el 2006, no hizo uso de la opción de compra.

El negocio se podría dar debido a que Andrés Felipe González ha manifestado su interés de seguir militando en el fútbol del exterior.

Otros dos jugadores del América que están cerca de llegar al Atlético Paranaense son el volante polifuncional Edwin Valencia y el arquero Julián Viáfara.

De llegarse a concretar estos negocios, los tres ex ‘Diablos Rojos’ se unirían al también americanista David Ferreira, quien milita desde hace varias temporadas con el club de Curitiba.

the coach in this team really likes colombians haha if he wants 3 to try out and already has 2 on the team haha.. wish we were spread out a little better in brasil tho, really hoping that Valencia makes it because we need quality midfielders playing in good leagues, goalies and defenders arent a big worry

lfsr1544 · Dec 30, 2006

Siempreconlamecha said: ↑

I believe that more Uruguayos have had greater impact in Europe than Colombianos (which is a greater achievement if you compare population sizes between the two countries), but I don't believe it is because of their national league(As it was stated before, there are only two teams that matter in Uruguay; whereas anybody can win in Colombia ). If we didn't send as many players to Europe as Uruguay, then I would agree that playing in Uruguay is better than the Colombian league for getting to Europe. But the fact is that we are exporting players, but very few of these players are making great impact. And I believe we have better raw talent than Uruguay which I believe is evidenced by youth tournaments.

I would argue that the problem lies in the mentality of a Colombian player, which is easily corrupted to alcohol and lazyness. The Argentine/Brazilian/Uruguayo appears to have a mentality that is better suited for success under those conditions. I believe the fault is in the club youth systems that too often ignore psychological and educational aspects of personal development in these players, and the player as a person isn't suited for the lifestyle.

Now, the Argentine/Brazilian leagues do however have more credibility to European teams, because success in these leagues more consistently means success in Europe which absolutely can't be said about the Colombian league. So transfering to those leagues is helpful towards an eventual transfer to Europe.
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wow. Harsh words and in my opinion, truly misdirected. The 'corruption' thru alcohol and laziness as you describe it, is not a "colombian" trait, but the imprint of ANY impoverished person that has come from an environment of extreme poverty, poor education and next to no moral support from family members. It's an unfortunate occurrence that is much more prevalent in ALL of south america then the US or 'developed' nations for obvious reasons. The result of the 'poor-rich mentality' is the same in every ghetto in the world . If someone who comes from a solid middle-class background can have some difficulty in transitioning to wealth, fame and opportunity, imagine those who were at one point less fortunate and had very little to live for.
Also, we don't export 1/3 of the players that Uruguay does. But quantity does not equal quality either. You don't know how these players are 'mis-handled' let alone 'man-handled' when they go to even some of the best European clubs. Truth is, most agents have scouts in all parts of the world that help them locate talent. With this chain-of-custody that provides a payout for the local scout to the agent/lawyers invloved in the transaction, there's money to be had ---and as long as the 'dopes' on both sides of the coin continue to exchange money and players, then the exportation will continue to occur.
One last point --- The reason may Europeans buy from Uruguay, Brazil and Argentina have much to do as well with their int'l success. All 3 have one thing in common, they have all won a world cup. We haven't. We haven't even come close. The day we do, is the day that our players and league become highly respected and demanded.

crzdcolombian · Dec 31, 2006

ABEL AGUILAR JUGARÁ EN LA SEGUNDA DIVISIÓN ESPAÑOLA

31/12/06 - Tras su llegada a Udinese proveniente del Deportivo Cali, Abel Aguilar ha tenido más momentos amargos que felices, pues sus expectativas de jugar eran las mejores, pero con el paso de los días se tuvo que conformar con jugar en las divisiones menores del club blanco y negro. Ahora tendrá un nuevo reto, ayudar al Xerez de la segunda división española a lograr el ascenso. Buena noticia para Abel que de esta forma cierra de gran manera este 2006.

La página oficial del Xerez, confirmo la llegada de Abel Aguilar hasta el mes de Junio de 2007, tras varias negociaciones con el Udinese dueño de sus derechos deportivo y en donde no ha tenido opciones para jugar. Ahora Aguilar espera cumplir de una vez por todas su sueño de brillar en el fútbol Europeo, con la firme tarea de regresar a la selección Colombia para la Copa América de Venezuela.

Con Aguilar, ya son 4 los colombianos en la segunda división de España, José Julián De la Cuesta en Cádiz, Edwin Congo en el Sporting de Gijón y Mauricio Romero en el Castellón.

crzdcolombian · Dec 31, 2006

wipecka says that mario yepes is going to betar jerusalem... hope this is not true

Atletico_fan · Jan 3, 2007

Estube viendo la primera pagina de este post y vi una larga lista de jugadores nuestros que actuan en el exterior...no seria volverlo a hacer osea como un update, y asi enterarnos en que equipos estan nuestros jugadores criollos, no se si es buena o mala idea...suerte!

crzdcolombian · Jan 3, 2007

i am working on an update but am 1st waiting till after the transfer season to post it... i can upload it if u guy want it tho... i added more leagues to it, right now i have alot of players with ? marks because they might be goign to certian teams but it isnt verified also I have alot of players that I had under reserve and youth teams but now I cant find any information on it. If any oen could help me that would be sweet

thanx in advance

crzdcolombian · Jan 3, 2007

¿Se va Ferreira?

El 10 colombiano, al servicio del Atlético Paranaense, reveló que tiene una posibilidad de jugar en Europa

Curitiba, Brasil. La nómina del Atlético Paranaense volverá a trabajos en los próximos días pensando en la temporada 2007 del fútbol brasileño. El equipo rojinegro podría comenzar la temporada con una baja importante.

Y es que el mediocampista colombiano David Ferreira, de destacada actuación en la Copa Suramericana y en el Campeonato Brasileiro, tendría una posibilidad latente de emigrar al fútbol de Europa. El jugador de 27 años afirmó que esa sería un gran paso en su carrera deportiva.

"En lo personal es un gusto trabajar en el Atlético, que es uno de los más estructurados de Brasil. Sin embargo mi empresario recibió algunas propuestas interesante y las estamos estudiando. La intención es jugar en Europa, que es algo bueno profesionalmente hablando", dijo Ferreira en entrevista concedida al Jornal do Estado.

MoRado · Jan 5, 2007

Mejor colombiano en el campeonato tico de apertura

-Luis Lara

segundo lugar

-Ricardo Steer

tercer lugar
-John Jairo Quiñonez

-Mejor tecnico
Carlos Restrepo