Make Copa America 4 year west hemisphere tournament

Discussion in 'Copa América Centenario 2016' started by olckicker, Jul 4, 2006.

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  1. IncaEnclave

    IncaEnclave Member

    Aug 24, 2000
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    I'd rather Copa America remain a CONMEBOL tourney of 12. As always, it has its 10 CONMEBOL participants and 2 invitees. Mexico has proved itself worthy (financially and competitively) of being invited every time. The US has not, because it has rejected so many times and to be honest does not have as long of a track record against CONMEBOL opponents as Mexico has. However, the US has recently grown into a top 30 team in the world and is still growing in the soccer world. Plus, the fact that it can potentially add sponsor and tv deal money, the US will always be thrown an invitation. I am against making this an intercontinental championship and expanding to 16 teams. This is a CONMEBOL tourney and should not have to become a CONCACAF/CONMEBOL tourney. The GOLD CUP should be maintained and enhanced so Mexico and US does not have to depend on Copa America as their only opportunity for challenging play.

    Regarding the frequency of the tourney: Holding it every 4 years on the same time as the EUROs makes sense if you want squads like Brazil and Argentina to have their best teams. Their star foreign-based players would be compelled to play and could not give the excuse of needing rest or fight with their clubs to let them play because the Euros on their clubs were allowed to play in the European Championships.

    And for those who believe the US isn't worthy of an automatic invite, then invite the winner of the Gold Cup (or runner-up if the winner should be Mexico) as the 12th team. Therefore, the Gold Cup gets the added incentive of having its champion in both the Confederations Cup and Copa America.
     
  2. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    The US came twice to the Copa America, and one of those times made it to the semis. I think that's a more than decent "track-record", imho.

    Metro
     
  3. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    I'm from neither the nort nor the south of America, so you guys can believe me when I tell you that I'm not biased.

    I think the whole "USA is not worthy" or "CONCACAF is not worthy" discussion is pointless. I think that an all American Copa America would only help promoting the American teams, no matter if they're from CONMEBOL or CONCACAF.

    If the US or any other country wasn't worthy of participating, they wouldn't qualify anyway. I think most South Americans who oppose this idea are just afraid that their "superior" teams might get their ass whipped.

    I mean, it would be most likely that Argentina and Brazil will win 9 out of 10 times. But still, this kind of competition can only help the development of soccer anywhere on the American continent.

    I say: If the SA teams are so much better as some people say, they have nothing to fear. But it's just unfair to let the NA teams rot in CONCACAF where there is no real competition. It would probably even be best if CONMEBOL and CONCACAF would completelya merge. This would only increase competition.

    So after all, I totally think it would make perfectly sense to have the Copa America every 4 years with teamy from both, the north and the south of America. It works perfectly in Europe and the EURO has almost as much meaning as the WC does for European teams. And I would love to have a similar tournament in America. It probably still couldn't cope with the European Championship, but it would already be much closer than the Copa America of today.
     
  4. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    most SA dont want concacaf teams in the Copa because well simply put

    they have their Gold CUP
    CAF and the AFC have their cups
    Uefa has theirs
    OFC has theirs

    why cant we be allowed to have ours?
     
  5. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    As an outsider I would love to see a 16 team Americas tournament. I think it would be a great spectacle that could sell itself around the World as the Euro tournament does. At the least it would help sell South American football in the lucrative North American market. However its entirely up to the footballing nations of America.
     
  6. Zitor

    Zitor New Member

    Nov 21, 2004
    Chicago
    And playing mainly with college players. There has been now more than 10 years of professional players, (it's funny to see USA as a "developing-country", excuse the analogy). 2007 will show there faces turning more toward soccer with a lot of TV exposure in different tournaments. USA can and will be a force to be reckon with.
    I am from south America and I hate all the bitchin' about integration. There is a new world order in politics and economics, everyting is about getting together and move on to something that is beneficiary for all people. One wall that devided has come down a long time ago. Why can't some people get rid of the wall in their minds. Mankind is going to get only stronger working together towards a common goal, an ultimate goal of justice and opportunity for all. Integration is better than a false regionalism, and selfishness is a vice not virtue. Soccer as sport is to bring people together, IMO Copa America for all.
     
  7. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    i dont think the africans or asians or even the euros attempt to sell their continental chamionship to the North American Market

    i just dont see the need for Conmebol to do it

    its our continental tourney dammit:D

    its bad enough our Copa Sudamericana has concacaf teams that get preferential treatment now

    if it was up to me I would kick all Concacaf teams out of our tourneys, even the Libertadores
     
  8. superfrantheman

    superfrantheman Red Card

    Nov 11, 2006
    Olvidados de Dios
    Club:
    Sporting Cristal Lima
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    i prefer every two years playing it in 2008 at the same time euro is played, and in 2010 in january like african cup
     
  9. El_tri321mex

    El_tri321mex Member

    Oct 20, 2006
    berkeley
    No one is trying to take away the SA tournaments or disallowing the right to have one . Simply new teams just entered the competition it is that simple.
     
  10. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    once other teams from other regions enter ti

    its no longer a Conmebol only tourney..

    every other region has their exclusive tourney..we at least I want one

    its that simple
     
  11. El_tri321mex

    El_tri321mex Member

    Oct 20, 2006
    berkeley
    Well what do you call Israeli teams on Uefa ?:)
     
  12. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Why can't you do both?

    Four-year cycle
    Year 1: World Cup
    Year 2: Copa America and Gold Cup
    Year 3: Supercopa America (whole hemisphere)
    Year 4: World Cup qualifying
     
  13. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Israel is a member of UEFA. ;) Therefore, they get to play the World Cup qualifiers and the EURO Qualifiers in UEFA as UEFA MEMBERS.

    The US, Mexico and the rest of CONCACAF aren't CONMEBOL MEMBERS, so you can see where the complaining originates.

    If a true Copa America (the whole continent) is gonna take place, both confeds are gonna have to merge in everything and not just for Copa America play.
     
  14. Visca...

    Visca... Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    ATL
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    that's a bit too much for the players, but I wouldn't complain. :D
     
  15. Caturro

    Caturro Member

    Aug 3, 2004
    Chile
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I don't know if I'd like that too much. Don't really like the idea of having a Copa America every 3 (or 2) years as it is. Plus UEFA would complain that their players are leaving too often (they already b*tch enough about it).
     
  16. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Of course everybody is allowed to have their own turneys. I was just trying to say that it would help both to join forces. Actually, I even think it would be best to merge CONCACAF and CONMEBOL and to form a strong panamerican federation. That way, SA would have a better chance of getting additional teams to the WC, it would give them more popularity in NA and give them more chances to promote themselves on the NA market, plus it would also help promote the game itself in NA since USA and Mexico would finally have some serious competition.

    But a thing like that cannot be forced upon anyone. It'll only work if both sides want it.
     
  17. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WC qualifying begins at year 3, not 4.
     
  18. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I personally think it's better to just combine CONCACAF and CONMEBOL. CONCACAF has 3 1/2 WC spots, CONMEBOL has 4 1/2 spots. Combine that and it's 8 spots all together which should be good enough for all the best teams to be in.

    I think it'll be mutually beneficial to both sides.
     
  19. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Change it. Shorten qualifying or perhaps combine it somehow with the regional tournaments. Perhaps offer an automatic bid to a team that wins a regional tournament and offer byes to those who do well.
     
  20. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that's a bit too unrealist. No reason to have both a Copa America and a "Super Copa America."
     
  21. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I just can't see the South Americans being run by Jack Warner.

    Face it as long as every fed has equal voting power Jack Warner or some other person from CONCACAF is going to be running the show. CONMEBOL might not be perfect but at least they know how to run the Copa Lib, Copa Sud, and Copa America. On the other hand Jack Warner can't run a club competition or a national team one.
     
  22. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doesn't he already in one way or the other? :D
     
  23. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  24. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What else does Warner own?
     
  25. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

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