History: Soccer in DR, Nicaragua, PR?

Discussion in 'Caribbean' started by MetroChile, May 14, 2006.

  1. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Political stability compared to Haiti you mean...
    Not political stability in the overall sense of the concept...
    Metro
     
  2. TFCfuturefan

    TFCfuturefan New Member

    Jul 18, 2006
    TORONTO
    Well Nicaragua's getting a new national soccer stadium so i guess its a start.:D
     
  3. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    a few weeks ago i was able to find a book about baseball in the Dominican Republic

    I found out that the first baseballgame on dominican soil was played in 1892 by some crew members of a cuban ship

    the first baseballgame between dominicans was played in 1897

    and one of the best teams of the country, LICEY, was already founded in 1907

    so it seems that the US occupation had less to do than we thought with the devellopment of baseball in the DR

    but I still have no clue why haitians don t play baseball
     
  4. FlashEP

    FlashEP New Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Waltham, MA
    that's a fair question but the way Dominican, Cuban, and Puerto Rican sports fans ask why Haitians don't play baseball is the same way Jamaican and Trinidadian sports fans ask why Haitians don't play cricket.

    In the last olympics Haiti had players competing in track & field, judo, and boxing, while Haitian-born basketball player, Samuel Dalembert, is a starter for the Philadelphia 76ers in the NBA so it's not that there arent any other sports Haiti is affiliated with, it's just that football(soccer) is king.

    DR played their first baseball game in 1892, but then you have Haiti beginning the FHF(football federation) in 1904, the first North American country to do so. But in both cases Cuba had a great deal in helping both countries.

    I hope that in the future generations that Haitians and Dominicans can put away their differences(and there are very few besides language and sports). To put it clear tho, both countries are just passionate about the sports they play, when a tourist goes to Santo Domingo they'll see kids playin baseball in the streets and it's the same as when you would go to Port-au-Prince there's kids playin football and in San Juan the kids are playin basketball.
     
  5. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    I hope that in the future generations that Haitians and Dominicans can put away their differences(and there are very few besides language and sports). To put it clear tho, both countries are just passionate about the sports they play, when a tourist goes to Santo Domingo they'll see kids playin baseball in the streets and it's the same as when you would go to Port-au-Prince there's kids playin football and in San Juan the kids are playin basketball.[/QUOTE]

    I COULD NOT AGREE MORE ON THAT
     
  6. Intru

    Intru Member

    Mar 16, 2006
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Puerto Rico Islanders
    Puerto RIcans dont play on the street we have courts :), never seen anybody plying anything on the streets here, to much traffic.
     
  7. WarChant

    WarChant New Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Until 20 years ago Dominicans suffer from the elusion of inclusion. They either thought they were dark Spaniard or Indios anything but African. This stupid way of thinking could be traced back to Spain, but in the Dominican and Haitians case you may look no further then 1844, when the Dominican white Spaniard Elite class refused to ever be rule by their neighboring Negroes again. DR elites had prove to be untrustworthy so the Haitian military take away their rites as states men and appointed, Haitian and Dominican Negroes and Mulattos (yes their was a large population of mulattos in Haiti,they even had their own Republic at one point but that’s another story). So the DR elites class wanted to keep their privileges and understood how easy it was for their so-called lower class, (former slaves and mulatoes), to related with the struggles of the Haitian people so they begun the famous propaganda machine called “Antihaitianoismo”. This did not take an immediate effect but it would serve the DOM Elites through the generation to come. Haiti is a Creole culture that mean a mix of Colonial Euro and African culture just as the D.R. Today both nations suffer from poverty, cause they have both been impoverished by higher powers. I really didn’t want to get in to a historical debate cause it could have went on for day but I my self who is mixed of both culture have got the rites to address this matter. I’ve discussed this issue with family members since the age of 10.

    Insult my people as if we don’t have a culture of our own, comparing us to a poor PR or to Africa. Haitian can only wish to be as African as the people of Togo. Yes there is a difference in language, and difference standard of living, but at the end of the day Dominican, Haitian mother still tell their children the same bed time stories at night, their food still taste the same, Dominican are not pround Catholics like you think they are, Haitian #1 music is Compa, and everyone knows Merengue was made by Haitians and for Haitians.

    Yes there is a difference but there are "Mores" similarities. You should pick up a book called “Why do cocks fight” by Michele Wucker so you could begin to correct those so called Idios and their Antihaitianoismo. As much bull sh*t propaganda surrounds Haiti would't you as a Dominican try too distance your self from it to. Even the most ignorant person would tell you that all Haitian worship the devil.
     
  8. Guatefc

    Guatefc New Member

    Jun 1, 2005
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    Guatemala
    really when????


    can i see the link
     
  9. WarChant

    WarChant New Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Your intentions seem to be good, but there is a lot you don’t know about that island. Just as there is a lot of things that a born American don’t know about his own country. In a since, both sides DR and Haiti are comprised with multiple layer of characteristics. I guess it depends on what you have experienced. Just ask them whose pumpkin soup taste better, ask them about their 22 different flavor of women, ask them about “The Baca beast”, ask them who raises the best fighting game cocks. Ask a Dominican if meregue really born in Haiti, an ignorant answer would be “no”.

    Do not let those people fool you, just as their media has done to them, the past 150 years. Both sides seem to have a pathetic nature when it comes to each other, propaganda rubbish ran ramped in their literature in the mid-1800s and they are still alive to day on the tube.

    Some people think the DR elites are bad, today Haitian elites are worst. To them the worst thing a young adult can bring home is a Dominican, no matter his wealth or social status.
     
  10. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
  11. pace8

    pace8 Member

    Aug 17, 2006
    Miami and Montreal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Haiti
    You are right. Haitians and Dominicans are very similar. In fact, so are Cubans. People need to understand something. The DR is a country where the crime rate is as high if not higher than in Haiti. Why don't we hear about all those nasty things going on in the DR but we always seem to hear the negative about Haiti? The answer is simple....tourism. The tourism industry is controled by foreigners. Mostly spanish, but also germans etc. Those foreigners also control the media, therefore they do everything in their power for the negative stuff not to be talked in the media, nationally or internationally. The same goes for Jamaica. Kingston was once called the murder capital of the world. Kingston is alot more dangerous than Port au Prince. All this to say that the DR and Haiti are very very similar countries with small differences. Historical events as well as the media, have led people to believe the contrary.
     
  12. El Daly

    El Daly Member

    May 28, 2006
    Puerto Rico
    Club:
    Puerto Rico Islanders
    Nat'l Team:
    Puerto Rico
    If you really want to know some Puerto Rican soccer history background, you only need to know two things:
    A. Spanish
    B. This web page, www.hfpr.blogspot.com
     
  13. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    A few years ago the PR team of Caguas Baitoa played a u 17 tournament in Puerto Plata, Dom Rep

    They lost their 5 games because they were the only honest team

    All other teams had players that were over age

    Nevertheless Caguas did the right thing

    There is absolutely no progress with age fraud
     
  14. Intru

    Intru Member

    Mar 16, 2006
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Puerto Rico Islanders
    Theres a small internacional tornament for high schools going on this december, in PR. Teams from PR, DR and Mexico are participating.
     
  15. Intru

    Intru Member

    Mar 16, 2006
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Puerto Rico Islanders
    PR is holding tryouts for the sub nacional team, for people between 16 and 15, born after 89 on dicember 8, if you whish to know more pm me.
     
  16. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
  17. Guatefc

    Guatefc New Member

    Jun 1, 2005
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    Guatemala
  18. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    I live in the DR since 1993 and I have never ever heard his name before.

    More or less 2 millions of Dominicans live abroad, probably he s one of them.

    Well known are the Espinal twins, they play pro soccer in Italy.
     

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