JUAN P ANGEL: News & comments II

Discussion in 'Colombia' started by lfsr1544, Apr 20, 2007.

  1. Amercali

    Amercali Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    New Jersey
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    i know, the federations fight and fight the altura, how about fighting the schedule, thats why i say if they wont fight the schedule for us, then YES forget about playing in La Paz and lets play Bolivia at sea level so we can win the game.
     
  2. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    El problema de las dos ultimas eliminatorias tiene nombre propio: El petardo de tecnico que termino las del 2002 y empezo las del 2006. Bajo su fabulosa direccion, el equipo perdio puntos como local a granel:

    Bajo Maturranga

    WCQ 2002
    Argentina 3-0 Colombia 0 pts
    Colombia 0-1 Peru 0 pts
    Colombia 0-0 Ecuador 1 pt
    Uruguay 1-1 Colombia - 1 pt
    Colombia 3-1 Chile - 3 pts
    Paraguay 0-4 Colombia - 3 pts

    WCQ 2006
    Colombia 1-2 Brazil - 0 pts
    Bolivia 4-0 Colombia - 0 pts
    Colombia 0-1 Venezuela - 0 pts
    Colombia 1-1 Argentina - 1 pt.

    Total segunda era Maturranga: 9pts/30 = 30%
    home games: 4pts/18 pts = 22.22%
    away games: 5/12 = 41.66%

    Garcia and Rueda

    WCQ2002
    Colombia 0-0 Brazil - 1 pt
    Bolivia 1-1 Colombia - 1 pt
    Colombia 3-0 Venezuela - 3 pt
    Colombia 1-3 Argentina - 0 pt
    Peru 0-1 Colombia - 3 pt
    Ecuador 0-0 Colombia - 1 pt
    Colombia 1-0 Uruguay - 3 pt
    Chile 0-1 Colombia - 3 pt
    Colombia 0-2 Paraguay -0 pt
    Brazil 1-0 Colombia - 0 pt
    Colombia 2-0 Bolivia - 3 pt
    Venezuela 2-2 Colombia - 1 pt

    Total WCQ2002 Garcia: 19 pts/36 = 52.77%
    Home: 10/18 = 55.55%
    Away: 9/18 = 50%


    WCQ2006
    Peru 0-2 Colombia - 3 pts
    Ecuador 2-1 Colombia - 0
    Colombia 5-0 Uruguay - 3
    Chile 0-0 Colombia - 1
    Colombia 1-1 Paraguay - 1
    Brazil 0-0 Colombia - 1
    Colombia 1-0 Bolivia - 3
    Venezuela 0-0 Colombia - 1
    Argentina 1-0 Colombia - 0
    Colombia 5-0 Peru - 3
    Colombia 3-0 Ecuador -3
    Uruguay 3-2 Colombia - 0
    Colombia 1-1 Chile - 1
    Paraguay 0-1 Colombia - 3

    Total WCQ 2006 Rueda 23 pts/42 = 54.76%
    home:14/21= 66.66%
    Away:9/21 = 42.85%

    Total Garcia-Rueda: 42/78 = 53.84%
    home: 24/39 = 61.54%
    away: 18/39 = 46.15%

    Si los porcentajes de puntos logrados se hubieran sostenido en los nefastos 10 juegos dirigidos por Maturranga, en los juegos de local se hubieran logrado 10 u 11 puntos en vez de 4 (18 pts x 60% = +7). En vez de 51 puntos (entre las dos eliminatorias) hubieramos sumado 58 puntos, o alrededor de veintinueve puntos por eliminatoria. Con 30 puntos se clasificaron Paraguay y Brazil en el 2002, Ecuador hizo 31, y Uruguay fue al repechaje con 27. En el 2006, 28 puntos le bastaron a Ecuador y Paraguay para ir directo al mundial.

    Todo esto para decir que en mi opinion la sede no influye mucho, que talento siempre ha habido (menos que cuando fuimos a 3 mundiales al hilo) o sea que la diferencia ha estado en el banco. Esos si, estoy de acuerdo en que la altura nos perjudica mas de lo que nos beneficia, pero el calor de Barranquilla tampoco es nuestro mejor aliado en todos los juegos, ademas de la falta de apoyo de la aficion en los momentos que el equipo mas lo necesitaba y las rencillas regionalistas.

    Para mi la sede natural del equipo debe ser Medellin por el apoyo de la gente y estoy dispuesto a aguantarme algo del regionalismo paisa, porque Valle, Antioquia y la costa son las regiones que mas talento futbolero aportan al futbol colombiano.
     
  3. Amercali

    Amercali Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    New Jersey
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    el problema es la siguiente, colombia no puede perder contra bolivia y ecuador de visitante, cuando ibamos al mundial sacabamos por lo menos empates. y antes empatabamos en montevideo
     
  4. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    In normal conditions we should:

    At home, win 7 games and try to extract 1 or 2 points from our matches against Argentina and Brazil: That is 22-23 points. Less than that, we have to go and make up in the away games. That is like 80% of the points, and Colombia has been very unefective, especially during Maturranga sting (4 out of 18). Lets say that we can live with 70% of the points (19), since we know we are a good away team (around 45% of our points).

    Away we can win at Peru and bring back points from Bolivia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Chile and possibly Uruguay. That is 7 points more. If we lose games at home, those are extra points we'll have to look for away, probably 3 or 4 more (45% is 12 points, very doable).

    We know 30 points are doable and if you take Maturranga games out of the equation Colombia should have been in one of the last two WCs at least. During his tenure we lost at home with the likes of Peru and Venezuela and tied with Ecuador. He won only once (Chile) in 4 favorable matches at home. We should not allow that guy near a Colombian football team ever again.
     
  5. Amercali

    Amercali Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    New Jersey
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The grandest question of them all! Will Colombia beat Venezuela? :)
     
  6. Alonso#13

    Alonso#13 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    New York City
    I think the things that messed Colombia up in the last qualifier was
    1)Maturana
    2)Pachecito ese man sirve para llenar el estadio de Barranquilla y nada mas
    3)Frankie Oviedo que man mas lento y sin ningun control del balon
    4)The schedule is partially to blame but hey we have to play Argentina or Brasil at home sooner or later.
     
  7. el crack

    el crack New Member

    Jul 22, 2006
    CF
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    pachequito es el peor costenos en tocar un balon de futbol.:D
     
  8. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Guys, Pachequito only can be blamed for a few games. He's not good with the NT, but he's not the worst. The problem was that Maturrange kept playing Angustias.... He's the second cause. Oviedo, well I would put him in the same class as Pachequito, but the problem is that after our genious coach left the house burning to its shambles, it took Rueda a few games to come up with a reliable line-up. The costeno fans are also to be blamed, since they did not support the team when they needed it the most. In my book these are the guys to take the blame for:

    1. Maturranga: Enemigo Publico Numero Uno del Futbol Colombiano.
    2. Barranquilla: Conditional fans, stupid figths about who gets called for NT.
    3. Angustias Hernandez: Lack of Personality when wearing Yellow.
    4. Rueda: Had a wonderful run, put the team in position to qualify, only to blew it in the last three games.
     
  9. Alonso#13

    Alonso#13 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    New York City
    Juan Pablo Angel va jugar en el all-star game contra el Celtic (equipo ke supuestamente estaba enteresado en comprarlo) El partido es a las 9:00 ET.
     
  10. minus

    minus Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I normally tend o agree with you but blaming Barranquilla is dumbest I've heard. Don't balme the crowd support because it's after their own inefficiency the stadium doesn't sell out.
     
  11. CtrlAlltDel

    CtrlAlltDel New Member

    Mar 12, 2007
    I wouldnt blame the Barranquilla crowds for Colombias horrible qualifiers, but I would certainly blame them for just plain sucking as a crowd. :p

    the number and intensity level of the fans is one of the things i guess the FCF takes into account when choosing a city to play in. and Barranquilla got an -F in that. so they lost the national team, which is something Cali, Medellin, and Bogota fans truly and really want.

    The Barranquilla fans may say that they want the NT in barranquilla, but they sure as hell did not show it in the most critical games last year :cool:

    My vote still goes to Medellin, the people there would pack the stadium for the national team any day, any time, and it wouldnt matter if their favorite player was on the team or not.
    The Bogota fans also show up for the NT, it's just that I dont think that altitude benefits us anymore than it hurts opposing teams.
     
  12. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    When Colombia loses 4-0 to Boliva and has 1 point after 5 games.... its hard for people who dont have much money to go watch a crap team when u know the team has talent but doesnt give a shit. U can only support something like that for so long, because its heart breaking ! No on can tell me they still arent hurting from Copa America....

    Colombia should not play in either Bogota(will be bad for foriegn bases players, unless we are going to play with all home bases ones) or Barranquilla(fickle fans). We will play in Bogota because thats what the mafia of our fed wants even tho the euros dont like it but who cares because the old euros arent coming ever again.
     
  13. CtrlAlltDel

    CtrlAlltDel New Member

    Mar 12, 2007
    Colombia had a very real fighting chance towards the end of the qualifiers, in those three games that we pwnd Ecuador, Uruguay and Peru the attendance was pathetic and embarrassing. and earlier on when the Radio stations and newspapers in Barranquilla were calling for a boycott of the NT because Rueda had thought about not calling up 'pachequito' and Arzuaga was the last straw for me.
    And if you recall, the only reason that many of the few fans showed during those three games was because there was a promotion with beercaps or something that allowed people to trade in or caps for tickets.

    in Bogota all you need to do is mention the NT and 50k rolos will fill up El Campin. they dont have much more money than the Barranquilleros, and their atmospheric conditions are just as uncomfortable as they are in Barranquilla.
    In Medellin the 35k to 40k people that fit in the stadium, make as much noise as 70k or 80k in any other stadium in S.A., and when Atl. Nacional has bad seasons, the fans still show up by the masses.

    Barranquilla has no excuse what so ever for losing the NT. and they should be the last city to be considered for games in the future. Bogota, Medellin, and Cali deserve the team.
     
  14. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    2 recuerdos: Oviedo, se puso el equipo al hombro con soto y tressor en Lima y se trajo 3 puntos que nos puso a soñar....despues en Quito casi hacen lo mismo y se quedaron cortos del empate.

    Pachequito se jugo el mejor partido en la goleada a Uruguay, no recuerdo que tanto protagonismo tuvo vs el goleado Peru en baqilla.
    Creo que cada partido depende del rival y la alineacion debe de ser manipulada como hizo RUEDA, lastima que Pinto esta un poco tarde y lento para encontrar titulares.
     
  15. JPAcolombia9

    JPAcolombia9 Member

    Oct 27, 2006

    couldnt agree with u nemore
     
  16. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY
    Wow, read the part where they say that Angel is just as good as Becks. ...I don't really know about making that type of comparison.

    Angel: Not Beckham, still hot

    Juan Pablo Angel is not spicing up the MLS like Beckham, but the Colombian is hotter than hot

    By John Meyer
    Denver Post Staff Writer

    Article Last Updated: 07/19/2007 02:41:23 AM MDT

    Commerce City - Juan Pablo Angel didn't come to America pursued by paparazzi. His wife isn't "posh," and Angel concedes she can't sing.
    "No," he laughs, "not at all."
    David Beckham (and his wife Victoria) are generating the buzz around Major League Soccer, but soccer fans know Angel is every bit as good. And because of the position he plays (striker), he might be more exciting to watch.
    Angel enters tonight's All-Star Game at Dick's Sporting Goods Park as the leading vote-getter in the selection process. The Colombian international acquired as a "designated player" by the New York Red Bulls in April scored nine goals in his first seven games.
    Americans may not appreciate the subtlety of Beckham's playmaking, but they understand scoring. Angel delivers.
    "He's the kind of player who takes half-chances and scores," said Pablo Mastroeni, the lone Rapids player in the All-Star Game. "You lose track of him ... and you're picking the ball out of your net."
    Angel came from Aston Villa of the English Premier League, which purchased him from Argentina's River Plate in 2000 for a $19 million transfer fee. He will make $6 million over the next two seasons, about what the Los Angeles Galaxy will pay Beckham this season.
    "As a soccer player, he's equal to Beckham," Rapids coach Fernando Clavijo said. "Beckham brings the whole package with Hollywood fame, but you take away the goals Angel has scored and (the Red Bulls) are at the bottom of the table. I really hope they give him the recognition he deserves because he is a true professional who is going to help New York and help soccer in America."
    Under the league's new designated player rule, teams are allowed to sign a superstar who is exempt from the salary cap, with the league paying a fraction of his salary and the team picking up the balance. There have been four: Angel, Beckham, Cuauhtemoc Blanco (Chicago) and Claudio Reyna
    (New York). Each team gets one designated player slot, but teams can trade them, which is how New York wound up with two.
    Blanco and Beckham have yet to make their MLS debuts, but Angel has been spectacular.
    "Anybody who comes in and scores nine goals in the first seven or eight games has proven himself to be a good player," said former Rapids forward John Spencer, a Houston assistant coach who will assist all-star coach Steve Nicol tonight. "Fantastic soccer player."
    He's humble and professional, with a reputation for being the first to practice and the last to leave.
    Angel couldn't speak English when he went to England, letting his hair grow because he didn't know how to ask for a haircut.

    Now he wears his hair short and speaks English well. His adjustment to the MLS has been easier than he expected.
    "You don't normally adjust to a new league that quick," said Angel, 31. "To start with, I was welcomed by everyone and that makes your life easy. Then I got off to a very good start. I'm delighted with the way I have started, with the way I have adjusted to the league so far, and I'm really looking forward to enjoying my time here."
    Angel said fans and players overseas don't give the MLS enough credit.
    "Obviously it's not the best league in the world, but it's a very competitive league, very physical," Angel said. "It's going to keep growing and getting better and better. We're in a great position because the attention generated by Beckham is going to be huge. We've got to make the most of that."
    Angel says he isn't jealous of Beckham's mega-contract, which could be worth $250 million with bonuses and ancillary income.
    "The people who are paying him think he is worth it," Angel said. "Now he has a responsibility to fulfill, and I'm sure he's going to do it.
    " The good thing about Beckham is that he's very professional. He's still fit enough to play anywhere in the world. The challenge is to make Beckham happy by making a very competitive league."
     
  17. el crack

    el crack New Member

    Jul 22, 2006
    CF
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    becks is the most overated player ever.... angel is mejor ;) lo dice claramente este article
     
  18. Alonso#13

    Alonso#13 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    New York City
    Golazo que le metio al Celtic...De Rosario le mando pase filtrado y el man paso sobre la defensa y el portero como nada. Los dos Colombianos con los goles del partido. :-D
     
  19. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    lindo gol!
     
  20. EdG567

    EdG567 Member

    May 10, 2006
    Houston, Texas
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well, I do not know if Angel is better, but Beckham is at least unidimensional. He cannot be that bad, and I can think of a few players that are more overrated than him.

    On a different topic, I am waiting for my friend the NYRB fan to cash on my comments about Angel being better off playing for Celtic than comming to MLS :rolleyes:

    But all and all, MLS players are in top form at this moment while Celtic is just starting their pre-season.
     
  22. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Gran partido de Angel hoy contra Toronto. Lo vimos de cerca y aunque definitivamente no tiene la velocidad de sus dias en Buenos Aires, su olfato esta intacto y se le nota un gran tranquilidad jugando y haciendo jugar a sus companeros.

    Hoy marco un buen gol, le taparon otros dos, y puso dos asistencias en el 3-0 de los Red Bulls.

    Ole Ole Ole Angel Angel!
     
  23. yj777

    yj777 Member

    Jun 28, 2007
    Bogota, Colombia
    Club:
    --other--
    Angel mete y mete mas goles y Pinto ni lo convoca..
    a quien se le olvida es gol de taco que metio en la seleccion contra Peru..??
    esa rosca que nos va a eliminar de las eliminatorias..
    porque no darle una oportunidad a Angel, Renteria en los amistosos.. ??
     
  24. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    rodagella has scored 5 goals in 5 games and has like 3-5 assist... Angel has scored 1 goal in 1 months and is 32.....

    Renteria hasnt scored a goal since Inter....

    GET OVER UR HATE FOR RODAGELLA !!! Right now he is on a hot streak and Mexican league is 100x more competivie than the MLS

    I dont see him going away any time soon as long as he is scoring... him up front creating chances and having a killer up front like Montero or Falcao can work for us... as I see Camelo alot like Rodagella and dont think they would work too well together

    also we need CARLOS HIDGALDO !!! that kid is amazing did any one watch the game against 11 caldas !! Wow the 1st goal, almost every goal comes from that kid tho I am really happy for him I am worried that PAsto might win again this year and lose this kid and suck again because he keeps it up he isnt stayin in Colombia
     
  25. yj777

    yj777 Member

    Jun 28, 2007
    Bogota, Colombia
    Club:
    --other--
    Dude you are on drugs
    Rodallega is 21 and only has manage to scored only 3 goals in almost 8 months in Mexico..
    (not counting cheesy friendly games)
    JPA has scored 10 goals in 13 games in the MLS and he is 32!!
    http://web.mlsnet.com/stats/
    JPA also scored 68 goals in the Premier League. something no Colombian player has ever done in England..
    When JPA was Troncallega's age he was tearing it up in River, where he scored 32 goals..

    Let's send Troncallega to England and see if he lasts even 6 months!
    (and no sane Premier team will pay a dime for a guy who can't even score a penalty kick on a Copa America!!)

    The Mexican league is more competitive than the MLS? bhahahah
    If the Mexican teams are so great, how come they got their asses kicked at the Superliga?
    The DC United, Red Bulls, Chicago Fire, Dallas FC and NE Revolution can beat any team in the Mexican league..

    Maybe you should do some research first before posting nonsense
     

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