According to the Chron, OL has offered to rip up both Ching and DeRo's current contracts in favor of large, multi-year contracts that won't use the DP slot. ($300-$400K for 3-4 years?) Chron Hope this keeps both of them in Dynamo Orange this year.
If both accept you can pretty much forget using that DP slot. 3 players at $400k means about 60% of your cap is used up and the remainder has to be divided up between 15-20 players....not good. That means anyone else that is due for a contract negotiation...like Ricardo Clark or Brad Davis...is a goner. I think it's smart to wrap up Ching and DeRo...but at the same time Houston would be wise to trade their DP slot for some allocation money to open up some cap room flexibility.
I have always suspected that LA may trade to get our DP slot. They've been piling up Alloc. money. Who better for AEG to talk into trading than one of its own teams?
I don't think it will be that much, at least not for both of them. I think 200-250 each is more likely. In his blog entry today he guesses that DeRo was offered around a 50K raise which would put him around 200K. Either way, it's good that the team is trying to take care of them.
True, but that DP is still an option for us and I don't want to see it traded away, especially to the likes of LAG just so they can make another big splash. I hope that Ching and DeRo get the contracts they deserve (plus incentives?). But just because we resign them doesn't mean we should trade away our DP just yet. There is still rumor around that Marioni might be available in the summer if things don't go well for him down south (remember, he signed so he might be able to join the NT...). It's obvious now that our DP won't be used before the Euro window closes, so we won't be using it till the summer. If nothing pans out then, I can see us trading it (just not to LAG, for the love of god....). Also, by summer, we will know how our players are doing (especially Ching and Clark for NT call ups...maybe others, plus Paul and the heat here).
De Ro is the best player in MLS and is an exciting player to watch! Well worth $400,000 per year. Ching however....not so much. He'd be worth $200k or less.
Actually, the non-DP max is somewhere around $280k. At least that's what it was last year and there's no indication that it has changed significantly (maybe it's 300k by now). Sometimes players get paid more through incentives, but the incentives have never counted against the cap, only the player "base" salary. I did the numbers analysis before in this thread: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10065263 and Dynamo has significant room under the cap after letting go Serioux and Cerritos. It's somewhere between $600-$800k, depending on who you believe about what the new salary cap is. Provided that we bump up 3 of our players making mid $100s last season (as Ching, Clark, Onstad, and DeRo did), that only takes about $400k out of that salary cap space. This is a very conservative estimate since, although I believe Dynamo will offer a max base salary to both DeRo and Ching, they will not do so for Clark, although he might get a raise. At worst, Dynamo would have $200k in cap space left, and probably much more. Possibly enough to still get a DP (which we won't since AEG will choose to be cheap...).
I have to agree with DrLudicrous, I doubt they'd both be making $400k. And I just read the article, it said that Ching was offered a new contract, not that he'd be making a hefty sum like De Ro. Don't make assumptions. And the bad news is that De Ro has yet to agree to the new contract. Dun-dun-dun...
A DP hits $400k against the cap, so no, $200K is not enough to get a DP, not a real one anyway. Might as well trade the slot for allocation money. As for your "incentives" don't count, that is a load. Players that get incentives the previous season see those numbers added to their cap number for the following year. Also understand this, if you low ball either DeRo or Ching and they get interest from abroad they will want to go. If you pay them what they are worth, and both are worth league max, then they might stay. Low balling in order to hold on to the DP slot that you likely won't be able to use is a silly strategy.
Not a splash, more like a drip. Landycakes has to use a DP slot next year, or take a big pay cut. And every international he plays for USMNT now, with continued poor performance, just lessens his chances of going Euro. AEG is in a prison of its own devise with his transfer from the Quakes, and now Beckham, to boost the Galacterrhoids. As far as allocation money, isn't that for transfer fees and not salary cap extensions?
Do you honestly thing that Brian Ching is worth investing as much money in as Dwyane De Rosario??? I was looking at this more so an MLS issue as opposed to a Dynamo issue: DeRo could leave MLS and it would be a tragedy to lose him.....if Ching leaves (which he won't - who outside of MLS would want him) he could be replaced. I didn't realize when I posted that this is the Dynamo board so I apologize for going off topic.
While DeRo is the motor of the team,Ching is the heart of our squad.and I sure hope we keep both. I pray they raise the salary cap,and we don't have be in a position to choose between these two players.
As you said, this isn't MLS General. It would be a tragedy for Houston to lose Ching. Look at their performance before he left for WC06 and their performance once his knee was better. DeRo is special, to be sure. But Ching was a catalyst for us last season.
Can we pay him what we feel he deserves? Then everyone can critic our idiocy when Ching is dropping bombs and defending our title.
They can be used for either. Even though the DP slot has more value, in the sense that it allows a team to sign a player for whatever salary they want, it isn't as flexible or as "liquid" as an allocation.
Okay, I haven't been drinking, so this is just naturally dumb. I'm still confused on allocation money. DP rule - Pay whatever you want, but only the first $400k comes out of the MLS pool and is charged against the teams' salary cap. Individual salary cap (DP or not)- $400k? Team salary cap - $2.1-$2.6M? Landycakes 'exception for the rulers' - $900k for one more year. So, what is the allocation money for? How much is it? Gotta figure there's some per team amount, and portions of it can be traded away. Use 1 - Payment or receipt of transfer fees for non-MLS contract players. Use 2 - Could it be used to break individual salary cap? Without triggering use of DP? Use 3 - Could it be used to break team salary cap? Use 4 - Pay for non-MLS player 'loans'? Sorry to be so dense, but this single-entity business model really confuses me. It ain't capitalism and it ain't socialism.
As a player DeRo is worth more than Ching. But you also have to include all the other variables: popularity, shirt sales, fan draw, etc. I think Ching has more allure to "part time" fans, especially the female variety. I don't want to call it the "Beckham" factor, but that is what it is. These are the value-added factors that a player brings outside of his socca skillz. Also, keep in mind that he ended high on the scoring charts while being injured and in the WC. If he has a season like last season, but without missing games, he'll be leading scorer by far.
Not lowballing for the DP slot, but low-balling to have an option to bring in another $100k player or two (kinda like Dalglish). That's a lot more powerful to this team then a DP slot that (I agree with you) Dynamo will likely not use. As far as DeRo's salary is concerned, I think that we need to keep in perspective what the numbers involved are here. We are talking about increasing DeRo's salary from $140k/yr to around ~$300k/yr tops. Dynamo will not make him a DP (although an argument can be made that they should). To compare, the average salary for EPL is somewhere around $1.7mil/yr.. So, if Dwayne and Brian get enough interest to go abroad, they will go, no matter how much Dynamo pays them. All you do by giving them a raise is make sure they don't end up in Denmark or Norway, which would be a shame. And whether you pay them $250k or $300k is not going to make a lick of difference in their decision, but it may allow you to bring in another player like Dalglish.
This economic model is called MLSism. Basically, it includes a strict set of guidelines that everyone has to follow in order to be fair, with the exception of various corollaries that are created in order for the system to play favorites while trying to appear neutral. Just don't look for the man behind the curtain...'cuz currently it's AEG.