The road to Germany: Locks and competition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by appoo, Jun 27, 2005.

  1. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    23 players will goto Germany, 5 will be named alternatives

    3 GKs
    7/8 Defenders
    7/8 Midfielders
    5 Forwards

    The locks

    GK
    Kasey Keller
    Marcus Hahneman

    *2 Goal Keepers

    FBs
    Steve Cherundolo
    Frankie Hejduk


    CD
    Eddie Pope
    Oguchi Onyewu
    Corey Gibbs

    CD/FB
    Carlos Bocanegra

    *6 Defenders

    DM
    Pablo Mastroeni
    Kerry Zevagnin

    CM
    Claudio Reyna
    John O'Brien (assuming health)
    Clint Dempsey

    AM
    Landon Donovan
    DaMarcus Beasley

    *7 Midfielders

    Forwards/Strikers
    Eddie Johnson
    Josh Wolff


    *2 Forwards/Strikers

    Thats 17 Locks (IMHO), 6 spots availible

    Competition for Open spots

    GK (1)
    Tim Howard
    Matt Reis
    Joe Cannon
    Kevin Hartman

    Defenders (1 - 2)
    Bobby Convey
    Chad Marshall
    Jonathan Spector
    Nat Borchers
    Gregg Berhalter
    Jimmy Conrad
    Tim Ward
    Ugo Ihemelu
    Marvell Wynne

    Midfielders (1)
    Chris Armas
    Stvee Ralston
    Bobby Convey
    Pat Noonan
    Justin Mapp
    Benny Feilhaber
    Eddie Gaven
    Freddy Adu
    Ben Olsen
    Brad Davis

    Forwards (3)
    Pat Noonan
    Conor Casey
    Brian Ching
    Brian McBride
    Freddy Adu
    Santino Quaranta
    Nate Jaqua
    Alecko Eskandarian
    Chris Rolfe
     
  2. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Zavagnin is not a lock. McBride is.
     
  3. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA

    McBride is aging. he needs to survive one more year

    and you might be right on Zev. But Bruce loves him
     
  4. bltleo

    bltleo Member+

    Jan 5, 2003
    GERMANY
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    wow Freddy Adu,. Wynne...from U20...great..Spector..Donovan...wow
    so many american in Germany....maybe some of them will stay in Germany:)
    and joint to our teams....everyone will watch WC 06...good chance for americans to show their talent....you are sending very strong team
    to Germany...hmhm....competitive....

    Thanks for this information.
    I´m going to send it to Klinsmann and Beckenbauer...so we can
    start to do our Strategy:)

    bltleo
     
  5. Nutmeg

    Nutmeg Member+

    Aug 24, 1999
    Assuming health:

    Locks
    Kasey Keller
    John O'brien
    Pablo Mastroeni
    Eddie Johnson
    DaMarcus Beasley
    Landon Donovan

    I really believe everything else is up for competition.
     
  6. stucknutah

    stucknutah Member+

    Feb 14, 2002
    In the Office
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Where would you put Lewis?

    If healthy, he would have to be considered a lock...
     
  7. Jay510

    Jay510 Member+

    Apr 21, 2002
    Gadsden Purchase, AZ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tim Howard anyone?
     
  8. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How about Eddie Lewis? Has he fallen so far out of favor with you that he isn't a lock nor a contender.

    I put him as a lock because he has been playing so damn well. Maybe the bess crosser we have. He's in his 30's but the WC is only a year away. It's time to think about the present more than the future.
     
  9. Jay510

    Jay510 Member+

    Apr 21, 2002
    Gadsden Purchase, AZ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    if Mcbride is healthy, he will be there.....his aerial assault is key for counters...
     
  10. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I was typing my response at the same time. Didn't mean to repeat.
     
  11. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    Nice effort.

    I'd quibble in that Frankie, to me, is a 75% lock.

    Eddie Lewis is definently a lock as in DMB/Lewis at left mid for the tourney.

    I don't see Zavagnin as a lock at all, and I think it depends if Mastro/Reyna/O'Brien are all there and healthy..AND if Dempsey can show in the DM spot. Otherwise, I think he does pick a back-up DM with a 17-21 spot

    I see 2 GK as a lock (Keller + someone), but since I don't care backup goalies :)

    I think Spector is a 50% lock, and moves up to 95% if he starts for a Premiership team (even on loan) and plays well.

    I think Russell still has an outside shot, but he's had such bad luck over the years.

    Again, well done.
     
  12. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    Oh yeah- McBride IS a lock.
     
  13. Heathens '87

    Heathens '87 Member

    United States
    Mar 4, 2004
    Michigan
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    An odd way of showing love is to call in another defensive midfielder, while you're left with your club. Armas is there to compete and push Zavagnin for the back-up slot to Pablo. Kerry is still a question mark, especially given the Gold Cup roster. How many other healthy MLS guys who are in the player pool were left off the GC roster?!

    Otherwise, I think the list is close, although I'm not sure Pope can hang for another year, but I do think McBride can. It's not so much about them, but the talent pushing for their slots. A healthy McBride gets a slot, while Pope has to hope he doesn't get passed by a Spector, if he gets some time.

    Convey is also likely a lock, not due to performance, but because he can switch between the back and midfield. That roster flexibility makes it easier to carry someone.....filling two positions with one player.

    I think it's indicative of our quality that so many have a pretty firm grasp on their positions a year before the WC.....
     
  14. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    sorry, I forgot about Eddie Lewis. I don't believe he's a lock either
     
  15. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    another player I forgot about
     
  16. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    respectfully, I disagree. you know how Bruce works. Can you REALLY envision a healthy Eddie Pope not on the rsoter? same goes for Bocanegra and Oguchi Onyewu.

    Maybeit would have been better if I defined lock as "excellent chance of making the world cup roster and beating out competition"
     
  17. bltleo

    bltleo Member+

    Jan 5, 2003
    GERMANY
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    no one knows how Bruce thinks:)...
    but despite this it is nice to hear your opinon
    i really enjoy reading about american players here..
    so thanks
     
  18. justboy

    justboy Member

    Jun 21, 2005
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Howard will be watching the WC on TV if he has another season like last!!
     
  19. MLSNHTOWN

    MLSNHTOWN Member+

    Oct 27, 1999
    Houston, TX
    I do as well. Let's face it, your 17 locks are lots of speculation. Keller is definitely a lock. EJ, DMB and Donovan are clearly locks. Mastro is 99% a lock but you have to take into account that the d-mid position is such a deep position for the USMNT. IF reyna, JOB, Dempsey all have a great year, I could see Mastro possibly (remote, but still possibly) getting squeezed out. JOB is not a lock, even if healthy. We are postulating at his form after injury based entirely on his form preinjury. Granted, I think he will make it, but Clint Mathis' injury hurt his abilities dramatically, and I don't know that even if in a year, JOB will be rounded into top playing form, even if healthy. (let alone quick enough to play left back).

    The great thing about our depth is that there is so much competition. I can see Bocanegra, Gibbs, Gooch squeezing out Pope. Or possibly Pope, Gibbs, Gooch squeezing out Bocanegra. Throw in a young Demeritt or Marshall who might justify some looks and you have some serious competition. Though I think Gooch and Gibbs will be 1A and 1B, nothing is a lock right now.

    So those five as locks. Everyone else is up in the air.
     
  20. JohnW

    JohnW Member

    Apr 27, 2001
    St. Paul
    Pretty much agree with you--except, if healthy, McBride is a lock on the squad.

    So my list of "locks" would be six. Otherwise, anything can happen in a year.
     
  21. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    There are only 4 stone cold mortal locks:
    Donovan, Keller, Beasley, Bocanegra

    Next level - 95%, but could collapse:
    McBride

    90% shot - current form and age says yes:
    Gibbs, Cherundolo, Mastroeni, Lewis

    90% shot - Bruce's comfort zone:
    Pope, Hejduk, Reyna

    If his scoring pace stays anywhere near where it's been:
    Johnson

    The mystery:
    JOB

    4+1+4+3+1+1=14 in the pretty much in camp the way I see it.
     
  22. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    Pope only needs to get thru 1/2 more of an MLS season w/o looking awful. Hell, he hasn't looked that great in MLS for years, and still...

    I agree he's pretty much a lock. Unless Spector wins a central defender starting spot for Man U..which is pretty unlikely (and even then, Pope's got the UVA, DC, and vet thing going for him...)
     
  23. subbuteo

    subbuteo New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this discusses it a little

     
  24. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    let me put it this way, do the players I have listed above have an excellent chance of making the World Cup? say 90% or better? because if you get right down to it, there is no such thing as a lock.
     
  25. Heathens '87

    Heathens '87 Member

    United States
    Mar 4, 2004
    Michigan
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I'm thinking that Manchester United might put Spector out on loan to get him some game experience. It did wonders for Richardson, and with a left foot, he'll get considered for the English team. They won't start Spector, but a loan is a distinct possibility.

    If we qualify early, Bruce might actually use him in some games, and with friendlies in Europe in '06, he might be there as well. If he gets some time, and plays well, there is a path for him to get himself into contention.

    There's a lot of depth in the back, and while I have a hard time not seeing Eddie on the squad, there are enough backs looking to make the squad that he's going to have to fight to hang on while increasing his level of play.

    I think we'll take 8 backs....Gibbs, Onyewu, Cherundolo, Hejduk, and Bocanegra make five. I think Convey takes a slot due to his flexibility, which in my opinion, leaves Pope fighting with Berhalter, Spector, and Vanney over two spots. Right now, I'd say that's Berhalter and Pope, but if Spector gets into the mix, that'd be an interesting compeitition......

    I'm thinking a headline about Spector going on loan would be the first step in his getting into serious contention for Germany...........
     

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