The U-20s in Europe thread was getting a little long, so I thought we could break out a discussion of today's result (when it becomes available) in a separate thread. GO U-20s! FYI, to pass the time, here's reaction on the U.S. vs. Italy result: http://www.soccer365.com/US_home/National_Teams/page_22_38152.shtml
Nice coverage ... they even list the tie-breakers. To make a long story short, the US advances unless they lose by two goals or more.
Final score: USA 5 - Ukraine 2 A four bagger for Magee and the fifth from Capano. Uruguay is next in the semis. http://www.ussoccer.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=21043&itype=
Final (R) USA wins again! 5. Estados Unidos: Ford, Stone, Simo, Harvey, Klaas, Lancos, Cameron, Palomares, Ambersley, Magee y Capano. 2. Ucrania: Shyryayev, Vlayev, Hybanyuk, Petrivskyy, Karamushka, Kryvosheyenko (Oberenko, m.51), Nesin, Gorbkov, Khanas, Radevych y Vorobey. Goles: 1-0, m.2: Magee; 2-0, m.4: Capano; 2-1, m.37: Vorobey; 3-1, m.56: Magee; 4-1, m.67: Magee; 4-2, m.68: Karamushka; 5-2, m.80: Magee, de penalti. http://www.efe.es/deportes/detalledisciplinas.asp?opcion=9&id=3757218 Uruguay 3- Costa Rica 0 in the earlier game.
A 4-pack sure as hell ought to help Magee's chances of making the qualifying 18, though Rongen may want him to be with a team before then.
To be more specific, how does qualifying work? Is it by invitation? What are the requirements for team ages? Since the Italian team was older, that is why I am asking. Things like that. Thanks.
Apparently, it's a U-20 tournament, but the Italians brought their current best U-20s while we brought what was really a U-19 team in preparation for next year's U-20 championship. Costa Rica and Ukraine did the same as us.
FWIW, I looked up the Italy line-ups for a couple of their U21 European Championship matches (played back in May/June) and no one from that team was in the squad the US defeated.
Here is a little bit more info on the Italian side: http://www.figc.it/versione_inglese/notizie_testa/f_primo_piano.htm
U21 is completely different. That's what Europeans refer to as U23(Olympic tournament age) for some reason. This is the U20 age level.
I am a bit confused: what do you mean by completely different? The guys who participated in this year's U21 Euros were all under 21, right? I figured that since there's only a year difference between U20 and U21, there would probably be some overlap between the two teams.
Magee Here is a nice story Mike wrote about his recent travels through Europe. http://www.ussoccer.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsId=20947&itype=113&icategoryid=353
No, the guys that competed in the Euro U21 Championships last May were 79s and later. That means they were as old as 23. There is no overlap between the teams in the A'lcudia tournament and the recent Euro U-21 finals. They are actually two levels apart (and 4 years apart). There will be another Euro U-21 Championship in a couple years that will determine the teams will qualify for the Athens Olympics. The Euro teams like Italy are still building their future U-21 teams, so the are trying out some 82s in Spain. However, the players on European teams born in 1983 and later would have been eligible for the recent U-19 UEFA Championships won by Spain 1-0 over Germany late last month. Spain, Germany, Slovakia and ROI all qualified for the finals at the UAE. Many of the players from the winning U-19 Spanish team refused to leave their clubs to play in the L'Alcudia tournament this week. The teams participating at L'Alcudia are invited to play by the organizers like all youth tournaments except for the FIFA and confederation championships. FIFA does rate this tournament #2 behind Toulon at the U-20 level. Here is the breakdown of tournaments in Europe: UEFA Championships 2002: UEFA U-21 (born 1979 and later) played in May. UEFA U-19 (born 1983 and later) played last month with Spain defeating Germany. It's used as qualifier for the FIFA U-20 finals in UAE next year. UEFA U-17 (born 1985 and later) this was played earlier this year with Switzerland defeating France in final. UEFA Championships in 2003: U-19 (will be born 1984 and later) will be played in 2003. U-17 (born 1986 and later) will be played in 2003 and winner and runner-up qualify for FIFA U-17 Championships in Finland in Aug 2003. UEFA Championships in 2004: U-21 (born 1981 and later) winner/runner up qualify for Athens Olympics. The qualifiers will start in 2003. U-19 (born 1985 and later) winner/runner-up/3rd/4th place will qualify for FIFA 2005 U-20 Championships. U-17 (born 1987 and later):
USSF game report http://www.ussoccer.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=21043&itype= Lineups: USA - 18-Ford Williams; 4-Chefik Simo (14-Chad Marshall, 41), 6-Jordan Harvey, 12-Chris Lancos, 8-C.J. Klaas (15-David Johnson, 41); 21-Craig Capano, 2-Jordan Stone, 17-Raul Palomares (captain), 19-Mike Ambersley, 20-Mike Magee, 16-Knox Cameron. Subs not used: 1-Steve Cronin, 3-Justin Mapp, 5-Ryan Cochrane, 7-Ed Johnson, 10-Ned Grabavoy, 11-Ricardo Clark, 13-Devin Barclay. ********** Hmm, I was surprised to see Raul Palomares as the captain. Magee probably made the qualifying roster with this 4 goal performance. Afterall, one of the main weaknesses of the team has been finishing. Also note that Fernando Clavijo is with team as an assistant coach. Nice write-up by the USSF.
The best part of the article was this little tidbit about the ages of the other teams. The five other teams brought players (born in 1928) that will be too old for next year’s U-20 world championship If they're that old how did we lose to Brasil?
Thanks for the discussion and links, guys! Also, can anyone summarize the info in the Italian link for those of us who only studied Latin...