Roster, Draft Picks, Allocations, Discoveries: What we know, how we know it. [N&A]

I agree but I don't think it's a matter of coercion. As a matter of fairness I suspect MLS would arrange it this way. Let me explain ...

Dallas now has two major allocations. That's a lot for one salary cap to absorb in one year. But if they can't pay for both major allocations right now then the Adu deal, from Dallas's perspective is terrible.

But if DC United picks up all or a portion of the salary of one of Dallas's allocations then it becomes financially viable for Dallas to get two very high quality players.

Add to that the fact that Adu doesn't even count against DC United's cap (P-40) and, well, it just kind of makes sense from a fairness perspective.

 

I was snowed in today ... Hence the update below.

Coach

We ain't got one. Anarchy reigns.

Roster :: 24 Total :: 23 Currently (See + and * below.)

Code:

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Perea, Trevor		DEV

Adu, Freddy (+)		P-40
Barclay, Devin		P-40
Carroll, Brian		P-40
Eskandarian, Alecko	P-40
Stokes, David		P-40

Convey, Bobby		SEN
Namoff, Bryan		SEN
Olsen, Ben		SEN
Petke, Mike		SEN
Prideaux, Brandon	SEN
Quaranta, Santino	SEN
Stewart, Earnie		SEN
Rimando, Nick		SEN
Warren, Doug		SEN

Cerritos, Ronald	SEN, GC
Etcheverry, Marco (*)	SEN, GC
Kovalenko, Dema		SEN, GC
Martins, Thiago 	SEN, GC

Reyes, Milton		SEN, DISC, GC
Quintanilla, Eliseo	SEN, DISC, T-I

Nelsen, Ryan		SEN, S-I

Alegria, Jose		SEN, T-I

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Roster Key

SEN = Counts against the senior roster (18 players max)
DEV = Developmental (DEV + P-40 = 6 players min & max)
P-40 = Project 40 (P-40 + DEV = 6 players min & max)
DISC = Discovery Player (4 players max, may add max 2 per year)
GC = Green Card
S-I = Senior International (3 players max)
T-I = Transitional International (20 players max league wide)

(+) :: Freddy Adu's contract stipulates that he play for DC United. So although he won't officially be on the roster until the draft (see below) I thought it made sense to list him anyway.

(*) :: It's believed that Etchverry's contract expires as of January 2004. Word from Steven Goff is that they're letting the contract expire and the next coach will make the final decision on whether to re-sign him or not. The chances of Etcheverry being back next year are very low. However, he's still technically on the roster for the moment and so appears on this list.

Draft Picks

--1st Round--
#1: From Dallas for "future considerations" - read a major allocation. This pick will be used to acquire Freddy Adu according to the terms of his contract which stipulate his playing for DC United.
#4: To Dallas for Cerritos
--2nd Round--
#14: To Chicago for Stoitchkov
--3rd Round--
#24: To KC for Quintanilla
--4th Round--
#34
--5th Round--
#44
--6th Round--
#54: To Dallas for Cerritos

Allocations

We have no allocations. Assuming Etcheverry retires we will probably get one but it will almost certainly (95% positive) go to Dallas for the future considerations we owe them for the number one overall draft pick.

Discoveries

We currently have two on the roster and we can get two more next year. However, there is some debate about how much money we have available to us to use towards transfer fees etc. See page 2 of this thread. These are the basics as best as I can determine. Teams have $100K to use as transfer fees on discovery players. A team can use up to three years worth of fees at one time (a special discovery). Unspent money is lost. DCUnited used 2002, 2003 and 2004's transfer money to acquire Reyes. Whether we now have the 2005 and 2006 money available is uncertain. However, on occasion alternative arrangements can be made. Q2 was a special discovery and playing a friendly against his old team paid a portion of his transfer fee. Suffice it to say nobody really knows how these work or what our current discovery situation is.

Useful Links

DC United Transactions: http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=tradition&cont_id=94152
MLS Regulations: http://www.mlsnet.com/about/regulations/
DC United Roster (DCUnited.com): http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=team&cont_id=roster&roster_id=15
DC United Roster (MLSNet): http://www.mlsnet.com/teams/rosters/dc.html

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Again, I will update this post as more information becomes available and as corrections and additions are made.

 

Ivanov's option wasn't picked up. Updated accordingly:

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... The Most Arcane Thread Ever ...

:: Updated :: January 30, 2004 ::

Coach

Head Coach :: Peter Nowak
Assistant Coach :: Tom Soehn
Assistant Coach :: Mark Simpson

Roster :: 24 Maximum :: 23 Currently

Code:

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Ara, Kevin		DRAFT
Gros, Joshua		DRAFT
Hudson, Kevin		DRAFT

Adu, Freddy		P-40
Carroll, Brian		P-40
Eskandarian, Alecko	P-40
Stokes, David		P-40

Convey, Bobby		SEN
Namoff, Bryan		SEN
Olsen, Ben		SEN
Petke, Mike		SEN
Prideaux, Brandon	SEN
Quaranta, Santino	SEN
Stewart, Earnie		SEN
Rimando, Nick		SEN
Warren, Doug		SEN

Cerritos, Ronald	SEN, GC
Kovalenko, Dema		SEN, GC
Martins, Thiago 	SEN, GC

Reyes, Milton		SEN, DISC, GC
Quintanilla, Eliseo	SEN, DISC, T-I

Alegria, Jose		SEN, T-I

Nelsen, Ryan		SEN, S-I
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Roster Key

DRAFT = Acquired at the 2004 MLS SuperDraft but not P-40.
DEV = Developmental (DEV + P-40 = 6 players min & max)
P-40 = Project 40 (P-40 + DEV = 6 players min & max)
DISC = Discovery Player (4 players max, may add max 2 per year)
GC = Green Card
SEN = Counts against the senior roster (18 players max)
S-I = Senior International (3 players max)
T-I = Transitional International (20 players max league wide)

Note 1 :: Currently we have 23 players, 4 are roster protected, 16 are senior team and 3 are draftees.

Note 2 :: We have space for 2 more roster protected players, and 2 more senior players.

Draft Picks

:: 2004 ::

1st Pick :: Freddy Adu :: Pick from Dallas for "future considerations" - read a major allocation.
24th Pick :: Kevin Ara :: Pick from KC for 2005 2nd and 3rd round natural picks. See note.
34th Pick :: Joshua Gros
44th Pick :: Kevin Hudson

Note :: The 24th pick was originally our natural pick. It was dealt to KC as part of the deal that brought Quintanilla to DC United. The pick was then traded back to us on draft day for our natural 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2005. Hence, it's now effectively as if the Quintanilla deal was for the 2005 2nd and 3rd round picks.

:: 2005 ::

1st Round :: Natural pick.
2nd Round :: To KC for 2004 24th pick (Ara).
3rd Round :: To KC for 2004 24th pick (Ara).
4th Round :: Natural pick.
5th Round :: Natural pick.
6th Round :: Natural pick.

Note :: See 2004 draft note above.

Allocations

Officially we have no allocations. It’s presumed that we will get one for Etcheverry, but it will almost certainly (95% positive) go to Dallas for the future considerations we owe them for the number one overall draft pick.

Discoveries

We currently have two on the roster and we can get up to three more next year. There appears to have been a change in the discovery regulations for the upcoming season. I've detailed what I know here. In brief, there are several reports suggesting the number of discoveries a team can make per year has increased by one to three. As of yet there's no information to my knowledge about whether the maximum number of discovery players on any single team has increased. (I wouldn't be surprised if it did.) If it's still at four then we still can only add two. If it's been increased at all then we can add three. Currently Reyes and Q2 are the only discovery players on our roster. In addition, there's no information yet about whether the cash allowance for fees etc. has been increased.

As it was there was considerable debate about how much money we had available to us to use towards transfer fees etc. See page 2 of this thread. Going on the old information, these are the basics as best as I can determine. Teams have $100K to use as transfer fees on discovery players. A team can use up to three years worth of fees at one time (a special discovery). Unspent money is lost. DCUnited used 2002, 2003 and 2004's transfer money to acquire Reyes. Whether we now have the 2005 and 2006 money available is uncertain. However, on occasion alternative arrangements can be made. Q2 was a special discovery and playing a friendly against his old team paid a portion of his transfer fee. Suffice it to say nobody really knows how these work or what our current discovery situation is.

Future Considerations

Note 1 :: The Columbus Crew owe DC United future considerations for Devin Barclay.

Note 2 :: Future considerations owed by DC United to Dallas for 2003 SuperDraft first overall pick.

Useful Links

DC United Transactions: http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=tradition&cont_id=94152
MLS Regulations: http://www.mlsnet.com/about/regulations/
DC United Roster (DCUnited.com): http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=team&cont_id=roster&roster_id=15
DC United Roster (MLSNet): http://www.mlsnet.com/teams/rosters/dc.html
Key Dates on the 2004 MLS Competition Calendar: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=2070423#post2070423
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I will update this post/thread as more information becomes available and as corrections and additions are made.

 

Do you mean the players who were draft elligible but weren't picked? For instance, AJ Herrera was draft elligible but wasn't picked. Is the question essentially how DC United could sign him? Or do you mean someone who wasn't draft elligible but isn't under contract anywhere. I don't know the answer to either question for certain (although I'm pretty sure the latter is just a discovery - see below) but I thought I'd at least try to clarify the questions because both are worth asking about.

Not 100% sure but I think so. It's quite clearly a discovery if a transfer fee is involved. And if I recall the Lalas to LA signing correctly that too was a discovery even though no fee was involved. The Argentinians to the Metros loan was also a discovery. I guess what that all means is if you're not in a draft or an ad-hoc lottery, and you're not an allocation then you must be a discovery.

But of course JoeW will come along and tell me I've got it all wrong.

By the way, my question is how and what the draftees are getting paid. I mean they've gotta have at least a minimal stipend, right?

 

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NO. Some do and others don't. But I don't know exactly what that contract obliges you to. And I don't know whether signing that contract enables other teams to pick you up if nobody takes you at the draft.

See below for more ...

 

I'm sure it's contingent. It's just that nobody really knows the details. I do know, for instance, that Wingert and Nunez signed a contract to be in the draft. Beyond that or what that means I've no idea.

Also, some players are drafted but haven't signed anything - Kante quite famously on this board.

It's all pretty tough to get a handle on.

 

Thanks for the rant. It's a bit out of place in this thread though.

 

Perea waived :: http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=main&cont_id=225114

Updated accordingly :: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=2033053#post2033053

 

Courtesy of Monster ...

The number of discovery picks each team is afforded on a yearly basis has been increased to three.

Here's his post

And a newspaper quote:

I don't know if the maximum number of discovery players on any single team has increased. (I wouldn't be surprised if it did.) If it's still at four then we still can only add two. If it's been increased at all then we can add three. Currently Reyes and Q2 are the only discovery players on our roster. In addition, I don't know if they increased the cash available for fees etc. too.

 

Here's your answer:

 

Nope. Discoveries are first come, first serve.