Unofficial MLS Club Champion

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by the_cyclones, Apr 19, 2006.

  1. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok.. here goes.

    I started to work on this last fall just because it seemed like a fun idea.

    I have a blog up for it, UMLSCC. It's also in my signature.

    What I did was take the first winner of the first ever MLS game, San Jose defeating DC United. After that San Jose was the Unofficial Club Champion. I have ignored Overtime, Shootouts, Playoffs and USOC games involving MLS teams. A 90 minute draw means a team retains the title.

    Looking at the site you will see that 308 games have been played and the current Champion is ... Kansas City. KC is UMLSCC for the 7th time, which is actually tied for the fewest title reigns (Not counting RSL/Chivas who are at 0).

    Anyway, I was thinking of posting this over in FCD board, since Dallas is the next challenger, and then on MLS N&A. I understand that some other user... scaryice? ... has/had some kind of "ladder" structure there before. Maybe this will be more interesting :)
     
  2. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    What is the tally of clubs and how many time's they've been champion? Which club has the longest "reign"? I'd like to see that.
     
  3. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL that's funny, he showed me this stuff yesterday and those were the first questions I asked too. He's working on it.
     
  4. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I plan on crunching a bunch of data for this and putting things into different entries. And bringing up facts each time a UMLSCC game is played.

    There are a few of those the KC vs FCD story on the blog.

    Longest title reign is Los Angeles. After winning they had 12 defenses before losing to Chicago. Nine is the next longest defense shared by multiple teams.

    # of Title Reigns
    13 MetroStars(Red Bull NY) and Chicago
    12 Houston/San Jose
    10 Los Angeles
    9 DC United, Columbus and FC Dallas
    7 New England, Colorado and Kansas City(*)
    5 Tampa Bay (x) and Miami (x)
    *=current champ, x=contracted
     
  5. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Also.. different note - I plan on posting this over on your board too.
     
  6. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Wow. Thats crazy, I never even thought about doing something like that. Have you ever though about adding up the amount of games a certain club was champion?
     
  7. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep... working on that :)

    My guess, at a glance, is that it's Chicago, LA or Metros. Both Chicago and Metros champs 13 times but LA had several long streaks (so did chicago).

    I'll post more later.

    Still trying to decide if I want to get hit with a tidal wave of negativity by posting in N&A...
     
  8. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Go ahead, cause a scene. :D
     
  9. Mr. Bee

    Mr. Bee New Member

    Feb 2, 2005
    Buzzing Around
    Club:
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, wouldn't Miami still be champions? ;)
     
  10. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    :p

    I explained that ... just like in wrestling, I vacated the title.
    Let's hope there's no more retraction ever in the MLS.

    Thought about doing to San Houston Dynamoquake but since they are the same team really I didn't.
     
  11. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Ignoring USOC, Playoffs, etc... doesn't seem like a problem.

    However, ignoring Shootouts and Overtimes - to me - is.

    Those were the "rules" by which the games were played at the time.
     
  12. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I thought about that and actually worked it out.

    On July 10th, 2004, DC United lost 0-1 at KC and the counting of "overtime and shootout" actually merged up.
    DC went into the game representing the champion that just counted draws
    KC went into the game representing the champion that counted OT/SO.

    I understand your argument about using those SO/OT results. But since I did it "retrospectively" I thought it made more sense to not count them.. well, ok, to me it made sense.

    Eitherway, KC is the current champion :)
     
  13. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And this, of course, is the only salient fact. :D
     
  14. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The real question here is how much flame-retardant gear will I need when I post this on MLS N&A?



    :D
     
  15. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Just do it. And in rivalries too.
     
  16. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was gonna post it last night until I found an error in number of champions. Fixed that and decided I needed to walk through it all again, so it's now all entered into a spreadsheet in such a way that I can pull some statistics. So I may post it today when some stuff slows down at work.
     
  17. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gah, even just now I found another error.

    KC is now the 110th champ. (had missed NE reign).
     
  18. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Let's see if I can double check. From media guides.

    See if this matches what you have:

    1996 Season

    4/6/96 San Jose 1-0 over DC
    4/14/96 Dallas 0-0 (2-1 SO) over San Jose (KC)
    4/21/96 Colorado 3-1 over Dallas (KC)
    5/8/96 San Jose 3-1 over Colorado
    5/12/96 Los Angeles 2-1 over San Jose (KC, CLB, TB, NE, MET, TB, COL)
    6/30/96 Colorado 2-1 over Los Angeles (MET, CLB)
    7/10/96 Kansas City 2-0 over Colorado
    7/18/96 Tampa Bay 3-2 over Kansas City (COL)
    7/25/96 Columbus 1-0 over Tampa Bay
    7/28/96 DC 2-0 over Columbus
    7/31/96 Kansas City 3-2 over DC (DC)
    8/7/96 Colorado 4-2 over Kansas City
    8/11/96 MetroStars 2-0 over Colorado (NE)
    8/17/96 Tampa Bay 3-1 over MetroStars
    8/21/96 New England 4-2 over Tampa Bay
    8/31/96 Tampa Bay 3-1 over New England (MET, NE, DC, SJ, MET)

    End of 1996 Regular Season
     
  19. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    1997 Season
    Tampa Bay - 1996 champion (MET, NE, KC)
    4/20/97 New England 2-1 over Tampa Bay (COL, KC)
    5/9/97 Columbus 2-0 over New England (MET)
    5/17/97 Colorado 2-1 over Columbus
    5/24/97 New England 2-1 over Colorado (MET, DAL, LA)
    6/14/97 DC 1-0 over New England
    6/21/97 Kansas City 6-1 over DC (TB, COL, CLB)
    7/6/97 Dallas 3-1 over Kansas City (CLB, SJ, COL)
    7/25/97 Los Angeles 3-0 over Dallas (COL)
    8/2/97 Columbus 2-1 over Los Angeles
    8/9/97 San Jose 2-1 over Columbus (LA)
    8/24/97 Kansas City 3-2 over San Jose (COL)
    8/31/97 DC 2-0 over Kansas City (TB, NE)
    9/21/97 Tampa Bay 2-1 over DC
    9/26/97 DC 5-1 over Tampa Bay
    9/28/97 MetroStars 3-1 over DC

    End of 1997 Regular Season
     
  20. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, so you are using the SO/OT wins?
    That's what it looks like... I'll have to go get my other file.
     
  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Indeed.
     
  22. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    1998 Season
    MetroStars - 1997 champion
    3/28/98 - Los Angeles 3-2 over MetroStars (COL,MET,KC,TB,KC,COL,CLB)
    5/20/98 - Chicago 3-1 over Los Angeles (COL,LA,CLB,SJ,NE,DAL,KC,DAL,DAL)
    7/9/98 - Columbus 3-0 over Chicago
    7/19/98 - MetroStars 3-0 over Columbus (CHI, KC)
    8/9/98 - San Jose 5-1 over MetroStars
    8/15/98 - Chicago 2-1 over San Jose (COL,KC,MIA)
    9/10/98 - Dallas 3-1 over Chicago
    9/13/98 - San Jose 3-1 over Dallas
    9/16/98 - Los Angeles 1-0 over San Jose
    9/20/98 - San Jose 1-0 over Los Angeles (KC)

    End of 1998 Regular Season
     
  23. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    1999 Season
    San Jose - 1998 champion
    3/20/99 Chicago 3-1 over San Jose (KC,MIA)
    4/10/99 Dallas 1-0 over Chicago
    4/15/99 Miami 2-1 over Dallas (KC)
    5/1/99 Tampa Bay 2-1 over Miami (CHI,LA,CLB)
    5/29/99 Miami 2-1 over Tampa Bay
    6/5/99 Tampa Bay 1-0 over Miami
    6/12/99 San Jose 2-1 over Tampa Bay
    6/19/99 Chicago 2-0 over San Jose
    6/26/99 Colorado 2-0 over Chicago
    7/4/99 Columbus 3-0 over Colorado
    7/7/99 DC 2-1 over Columbus
    7/10/99 Colorado 2-1 over DC
    7/25/99 Tampa Bay 3-2 over Colorado
    7/29/99 Miami 3-2 over Tampa Bay
    8/1/99 Columbus 4-0 over Miami (KC)
    8/14/99 DC 2-1 over Columbus (MIA,MIA,COL,DAL,TB,MET,LA)
    10/6/99 Tampa Bay 4-2 over DC
    10/10/99 Dallas 2-1 over Tampa Bay

    End of 1999 Regular Season
     
  24. the_cyclones

    the_cyclones New Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    The Cauldron
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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