Perhaps many have already seen it but this are according to France Football the 50 most noteworthy foreigners in French Football. I've seen the issue with my own eyes and the criteria are a bit unclear to me but anyway, here they are: 1. Safet Sušić 2. Josip Skoblar 3. Juninho Pernambucano 4. Salif Keita 5. Abedi Pele 6. Carlos Bianchi 7. Vahid Halilhodžić 8. Denio Onnis 9. Rai 10. George Weah 11. Ivan Ćurković 12. Carlos Mozer 13. Pedro Miguel Pauleta 14. Oswaldo Piazza 15. Sonny Anderson 16. Roger Magnusson 17. Gunnar Andersson 18. Chris Waddle 19. Jurgen Klinsmann 20. Didier Drogba 21. Jorge Burruchaga 22. Enzo Franscescoli 23. Andrzej Szarmach 24. Dragan Džajić 25. Ivica Osim 26. Johnny Rep 27. Bram Appel 28. Eden Hazard 29. Carlos Valderrama 30. Ilija Pantelić 31. Ronaldinho 32. Roger Milla 33. Rudi Völler 34. Nenad Bjeković 35. Zlatko Vujović 36. Enzo Scifo 37. Kees Rijvers 38. Karl-Heinz Förster 39. Mustapha Dahleb 40. Alen Bokšić 41. Ricardo Gomes 42. Klaus Allofs 43. Paulo Cesar Caju 44. N `Doram Japhet 45. Hugo Curioni 46. Gabriel Heinze 47. Marco Simone 48. Victor Nürnberg 49. Glen Hoddle 50. Lisandro Lopez It was not a public poll
Ordered on decade: 1950s: 17. Gunnar Andersson [Sweden] [also 1960s] 27. Bram Appel [Netherlands] [1940s] 37. Kees Rijvers [Netherlands] 48. Victor Nürnberg [Luxembourg] [1960s] 1960s: None 1970s: 2. Josip Skoblar [Croatia] [also 1960s] 4. Salif Keita [Mali] [1960s] 6. Carlos Bianchi [Argentina] [1980s] 11. Ivan Ćurković [Serbia] [1980s] 14. Osvaldo Piazza [Argentina] 16. Roger Magnusson [Sweden] [1960s] 24. Dragan Džajić [Serbia] 25. Ivica Osim [Bosnia] 26. Johnny Rep [Netherlands] [1980s] 30. Ilija Pantelić [Croatia] 34. Nenad Bjeković [Serbia] [1980s] 39. Mustapha Dahleb [Algeria] [1980s] 43. Paulo Cesar Caju [Brazil] 45. Hugo Curioni [Argentina] [1980s] 1980s: 1. Safet Sušić [Bosnia] [also 1990s] 7. Vahid Halilhodžić [Bosnia] 8. Delio Onnis [Argentina] [1970s] 21. Jorge Burruchaga [Argentina] [1990s] 22. Enzo Franscescoli [Uruguay] [1990s] 23. Andrzej Szarmach [Poland] 29. Carlos Valderrama [Colombia] [1990s] 32. Roger Milla [Cameroon] 35. Zlatko Vujović [Bosnia] [1990s] 38. Karl-Heinz Förster [Germany] [1990s] 42. Klaus Allofs [Germany] [1990s] 49. Glen Hoddle [England] [1990s] 1990s: 5. Abedi Pele [Ghana] [also 1980s] 9. Rai [Brazil] 10. George Weah [Liberia] [1980s] 12. Carlos Mozer [Brazil] [1980s] 15. Sonny Anderson [Brazil] [2000s] 18. Chris Waddle [England] [1980s] 19. Jurgen Klinsmann [Germany] 33. Rudi Völler [Germany] 36. Enzo Scifo [Belgium] [1980s] 40. Alen Bokšić [Croatia] 41. Ricardo Gomes [Brazil] 44. N `Doram Japhet [Chad] 47. Marco Simone [Italy] [2000s] 2000s: 3. Juninho Pernambucano [Brazil] 13. Pedro Miguel Pauleta [Portugal] 20. Didier Drogba [Cote d'Ivoire] [also 1990s] 31. Ronaldinho [Brazil] 46. Gabriel Heinze [Argentina] [2010s] 2010s: 28. Eden Hazard [Belgium] [also 2000s] 50. Lisandro Lopez [Argentina] [also 2000s]
Personal note: I see it as weakness that so few 1950s players are included. That was one of the Golden Ages for French football. They reached finals of European tournaments like Latin Cups and European Cups, including a few foreigners. Excellent Dutch players of that era are Bertus de Harder (24 goals in one season as 'pure' winger) and Cor van der Hart - both reached finals of the Latin Cup. I can also think of a few more Scandinavian and Austrian players in that era (Stojaspal).
That would be an interesting question for baboarum but in theory/practice it might be possible that the 1940s and 1960s had simply no great foreigners and, to be fair, French club football also showed no big sustained successes or consistent appearances in advanced stages in club competitions in those decades. If you look at the 70s, 80s and 90s list I notice something noteworthy. Players in 70s list also played a few or more years in the 1980s. 6 show overlaps with 80s, only 2 with 60s - an decade that is omitted. 80s list show big overlaps with 90s and vice versa (only one in 80s list is related with 70s, only two in 90s list are related with 00s), which grossly correlates with another 'Golden Era' because around that time the French league reached the second place on the UEFA coefficient list. Since late 80s French league climbed in ranking and in 1993 they reached the second spot which lasted until 1996. Anyhow, I think it is indeed strange but it might be possible that those decades had simply no great foreigners. However, from that point of view the small number of players included from the 1950s is strange because that was unquestionably a Golden Era for them. That's my view but I think that French posters can provide more insight.
Here is a graph of 1960s to 1980s: At the second half of the 1970s they climb up again. And then they show another brief dip but came back strong at the second half/end of 1980s. Source: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/history/plot-1980-1990.html
I have one nice anecdote about Rai (ranked #9) when he played at Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo played against Barcelona in the Intercontinental Cup in 1992. He played very well. Cruijff, trainer of Barcelona said after the match about him: "I prefer to get beaten by a Ferrari instead of a Volkswagen." This is an exact quote.
Actually I thought about the 30s - not that I advocate his inclusion as frankly my knowledge on French club football is quite lacking, but Rudolf Hiden was one of the 1st players I thought about when reading the thread title.
With the likes of Gabriel Heinze and Caju (played only year in French first division - other year was in second division) included you have a strong point. Did not think about 1930s because of lack of international club football IIRC - save Mitropa Cup. Rep. edit: Also interesting: Caju is included but Jairzinho, who was his partner at Marsielle, isn't.
Good point. btw. do you know why France didn't participate in the Mitropa Cup? I know that both Spain and Germany refused.
They refused invitation too. Don't know why. They were one of the driving forces behind the Latin Cup and also the European Cup with the FA not objecting at that time. So that is a bit strange although a lot of attitudes changed rapidly in many countries after the war. I do know however that French FA combated professionalism heavily and fiercely during 1920s and it was only introduced at 1932. I know this because I have an extensive profile of Gabriel Hanot. In 1930s professional football was in its infancy in France.
I was thinking in other players from 50s, like argentinian Ruben Bravo, brazilian Yeso Amalfi. Even chilean Fernando Riera.
Since that counts for Hiden, so also exclude others players as Ben Barek (first name i was thinking of), de Bourgoing, Combin and some olders from 30s as argentinian Miguel Lauri and uruguayan Pedro Duhart. btw, i think that two foreign stars from 30s were yugoslavians: Branko Sekulic and Leo Stevanovic.
Where do you get those names from? Any info about their status? Status of Ben Barek is well known and is in his own country a legend. He is not listed either but he also played several games for French national team.
I feel that Ruben Bravo was highly rated by older in both France & Argentine. Nicknamed "el Maestro", he was a very skilled CF, but had the bad luck to be contemporary of legends as Rene Pontoni, Pedernera and Di Stefano. His peak was in the Racing 3 championship wins in-a-row, that overlap with the argentinian NT lack of intl. matches. The other star would be Branko Sekulic, he seems the big star of Yugoslavia at WC'30 along Dr. Ivkovic.
Can anyone explain why Sušić was regarded so high in France? Idid not really watch that league until the 90's (but still limitted due to marketing rule + my pocket)
Susic was one of the best playmaker and passer of the ball who ever played in the French league and he played for 9 season with PSG. Assuming longevity + achievements are some of the criterias of that ranking then that may explain why he's so high. This also explains why Juninho is 3rd. Now looking at peak level I don't think he -and Juninho as well- should be that high. Some other players who played less seasons (like Rai -definitely underrated- or Waddle) should be higher. By the way Skoblar should be ranked 1st IMHO. One strange omission is Valdo.
What do you think of Ronaldinho his place? Yes, Valdo is often forgotten like many Brazilians of the 1986-1994 timespan. Silas, Neto, Ricardo Gomes and so on. Rai was great indeed.
exactly as what I thought ... Skoblar should ne #1, and RAi should bbe top10, Ronaldinho should be in TOP20////
Much say I'm pretty flabbergasted at no Michael Essien. Maybe it has to do with longevity, but still... Would like to see some recognition for Jay Jay Okocha, but on the other hand PSG was the club where he played his worst football.