News: Zsolt Petry Criticism/Praise of Jonathan Klinsmann

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  1. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't catch this article when it came out back in March, but they released a new one praising his work ethic since the comment. Links to both articles:

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/hertha-b...onathan-klinsmannsays-hertha-berlin-assistant

    This basically talks about him being too lazy, and not bringing work to the field every day. The full quote is
    ""He's got the basic skills, and taken a good athletic development," Petry said. "But he does not bring his skills to the pitch every day. All of the coaching staff misses that.""

    ""The past two, three months did not go as we hoped. The serious, focused German working is not fully in him, there's too much American left in him.""

    Then this is the newer article: http://www.espn.com/soccer/hertha-b...acted-well-to-being-called-too-american-coach

    Basically just praising him to reacting well to the comments and working hard, and how he is fighting for third choice with a recent signing.

    My question though applies to the American player in general, do you think was just a one-off statement, or d you feel this is a really prevalent attitude that persists in a lot of Europe where American's are getting fewer chances. In addition do you feel there is any validity to the quotes?
     
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  2. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
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    Jul 29, 2017
    I honestly thought when that article came out that the coach wasn't calling out American soccer players in Europe as much as the American stereotype which to some means entitled, lazy, etc.
     
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  3. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
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    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I imagine if American players were, as a rule, seen as entitled/lazy by Europeans, they wouldn't be gobbling up our prospects like me at a buffet...

    As an Expanding-American*, not all of the stereotypes are wrong... ;)

    *Not my invention, don't give me credit for that one.
     
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  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Actually, most comments you hear from Euro coaching staffs is the exact opposite. The star Euro 18 year old already has an Aston Martin, and hasn't had to work for anything in years. [There was actually a club in England that didn't arrange transportation to away games for their young players. They wanted them to figure it out on their own. To actually encounter some challenges in life.]

    American youth soccer players, with very few exceptions (the Adu types), haven't been coddled since they were pre-teens. They haven't had Arsenal on their shirt since the age of 12, and thought they'd "made it" by the age of 16. They work hard and they're hungry. American kids usually fail due to a lack of technical ability, not a lack of heart or work ethic.
     
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  5. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #5 manfromgallifrey91, Aug 1, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2018
    I was thinking more of an overall attitude towards players that aren't youth prospects, for example if it were today and Dempsey was in his prime would that type of attitude count against him when looking at certain leagues. But I can see the point of youth prospects.
     
  6. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are we thinking of the same player? Clint has an entirely unearned reputation among some American fans as being "lazy", when in fact he consistently covers more distance than most of his teammates. His lack of speed simply creates an incorrect assumption that he does not run hard or run for very long.

    His background as a poor kid from Nacodoches, TX, who fought his way from college to MLS to Fulham (a working class club where he was beloved), does not to me indicate someone who is particularly "entitled" or "soft" in the way that the German coach seems to suggest.

    I don't think many European kids are being driven 4 hours each way to play for their youth team, and the ones that are clearly care about soccer as much as I assume Dempsey does...
     
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  7. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe the problems is that young Klinsmann is a prick. Can't remember what made me think that in the first place....
     
  8. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlikely.
     
  9. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    The dumb tweet was from a 14 year old. Cut him a break. Luckily the rest of us aren't typically judged as adults by the decisions we made as kids.
     
  10. skim172

    skim172 Member+

    Feb 20, 2013
    I thought that the original statement might've been just a motivational technique to put some fire under a young player.
     
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  11. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United
    Aug 3, 2000
    Raleigh, NC
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    Or maybe just a super ignorant comment by a dolt.
     
  12. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I should clarify that I don't think Dempsey is lazy, I was just using his background as someone who didn't bolt overseas at 16. It was only an example, I could have went with McBride as well.

    Like is there a sentiment that they have to work out the "american" in young players but they have time to do that so they can buy a 16 year old. But someone 24 or 25 is too set in, so the 25 year old American player has less opportunity than a 25 year old Spanish player while both are equally talented (just as an example).
     
  13. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're waaaaay overthinking it.

    Americans take up international roster spots. MLS doesn't do a very good job developing Americans past their teens. And for the most part, they're paying equal or better than the smaller European leagues. Add in the family aspect as players start to settle down and have children and families of their own, moving to Europe becomes less-and-less attractive. You might get a Geoff Cameron going the EPL at 27, but it's unlikely that Americans that are in MLS in their early-mid 20's ever make it over the pond to Europe.

    Nothing to do with the attitudes of Americans in general. It's simply a confluence of factors that result in Americans being more attractive to European clubs early in their careers, and less-so later.
     
  14. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We would be in deep sh1t
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His sister was doing the junior tennis circuit when she died. His family had a boat.

    Insert your favorite oh no not this shit again picture. Just cuz he raps doesnt mean he was poor.
    I get the sentiment...but you might want to check your math here.
     
  16. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, it doesn't. Shitty raps don't mean anything. But living in a trailer park in the middle of nowhere does.
     
  17. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
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    I would just like to say that this thread was everything I feared it might be when I clicked on it.
     
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