New Zack City: Steffen at Middlesbrough (olf Manchester City)

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Chance, Dec 8, 2014.

  1. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bayern dominating. Up 1-0 off a set play. Not much Zack could have done.
     
  3. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Horrible mistake by Zack leads to 2-0 Bayern. He played it right to a Bayern player like it was an assist.
     
  4. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3-0 Bayern... essentially everybody getting abused.
     
  5. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    This is an example of why Steffen still has a long way to go. It's not uncommon for him to have a brain fart, and here it was.
     
  6. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    Steffen is so bad with the ball at his feet. Nothing new there.
    The absolute trash generation of goalkeepers ages 22-27 allowed him to walk into the USMNT. He still has a long way to go
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    22-39 if we're being honest.
     
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  8. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    everyone makes mistakes every now and then.
     
  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
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    no argument its an unacceptable mistake, but im pretty sure you dont get assists 3 passes after your touch
     
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  10. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
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    United States
    It sure was an ugly pass... hard to watch. He has such great hands and length... but has a ton of work to do w/ his feet. Hoping he can improve because not every keeper does.
     
  11. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    That had nothing to do with questionable feet, but everything to do with poor vision, poor decision making. I'm not saying that his footwork and passing don't need work, they do, but this is not the first time he chose the wrong option to pass.
     
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  12. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    And happily in Steffen's case, mistakes create additional opportunities to practice his shot-stopping skills.
     
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  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    At this point, though, it can be said the honeymoon is over.
     
  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Over that? It's not as if he lost the game over that.
    The club needs a better defense ASAP.
     
  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He's not getting any accolades any more.
     
  16. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I feel the more continental teams give more slack on poor performances from keepers and defenders while in England, they're quick to crucify them.
     
  17. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Fortuna needs a little help from Hertha and Hoffs now. (Tho not like anyone expected points today.)
     
  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    #993 freisland, Nov 23, 2019
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2019
    If you're gonna screw the pooch on a play, BM is the team to do it again. Not like anyone thought one play cost them the game.

    But it would be good to do less of that.
     
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  19. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I saw the vaunted Man City keeper make an equally dumb play and was lucky it also didn't end up in his net. The request for virtually all keepers to keep possession leads to bad decisions just like among field players. Defenders and keepers pay for those mistakes more heavily since they're closer to their own goal. If they were better at passing they wouldn't be playing so far back. Ironic ain't it?
     
  20. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    The recent short goal kick/passing out of the back phenomenon is so dumb. The high risk of turning the ball over and giving up a high quality goal scoring opportunity outweighs whatever advantage comes from that build up. Just kick it 60 yards away from your goal and go from there or play it short every so often if its on. The playing out of the back phenomenon has given up lots of cheap goals.
     
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  21. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just think they need to make better decisions and wonder if coaches push too hard on it. A mix is always better. Keep 'em guessing. If every pass is short the other team needn't worry about long passes and can fill every spot close. An occasional long clearance keeps them honest.
     
  22. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    But, in the era of the high press that is exactly what the opposition wants you to do. If you are doing a high press yes you want to win the ball back in the opposition's half but, if you can not do that getting the opposition to punt it pointlessly up the pitch is also a win. It is not a coincidence that the clubs most committed to a high press also try to play out the back. And in Germany where high pressing is most popular teams tend to try and play it out the back.
     
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  23. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    That should be relatively know-able as some teams seem to have shifted fairly quickly and someone should be able to do a before/after analysis on a range of teams.

    To my eye it's just about personnel and opponent. If the players the keeper gets the ball to can't hold, turn and circulate effectively, it is much more dangerous than long kicks. But for teams with the players to execute, it is much more effective than relying on hopeful 50-50 balls.

    I also think we'll increasingly see sweeper-keepers with better foot skills coming through the ranks. It's take almost 20 years to build a soccer player and the move away from keepers who can just punt/clear 70 yards a kick hasn't been in the works all that long.
     
  24. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does any team try to do a quick high press with numbers once their keeper kicks it long? Seems the keeper blasts it one guy who has few teammates around and either loses it because he is surrounded or the team loses it because the keeper's long pass is off. If the object is to win the ball back in the opponents side then how is it different to try and win second balls by pressing after a keeper's long pass than trying to press and win by the opponent trying to pass out of the back? Again a mix but the team needs to be coordinated in knowing whether the keeper will pass short or long so enough players move up to press or stay back to work it out of the back.
     
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  25. Eldinter

    Eldinter Member

    Jul 28, 2009
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we were playing a crucial WC qualifier today, I would start Guzan in goal. More experienced and consistent. Zach is capable of making incredible saves but also of major lapses in concentration.
     

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