your 23 for france

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by luvdagame, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Ellis is not supposed to develop players. She plays contracted players to the best of her abilities. If she attempted to open up the pool she would have been fired a long time ago. See Sermanni, Tom.
     
  2. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    agreed.

    heartbreaking for both.

    but in the harsh realities... short was never ellis' type of ob., and i see long and a healthy brian as both better than zerboni.
     
  3. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    So, is there any player left out that is an under contract WNT player?

    Are Long, Brian, Krieger under contract?

    (forgive me for not knowing the proper terminology)
     
  4. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    One major difference between the two teams is that many of the older players on the 2015 team were coming off the bench, whereas, many of them are starters on the 2019 team.

    I was curious, so I calculated it myself (may be errors, but I did get the same average roster ages as you, so I think these are correct)...

    AVG AGE OF 2015 WC FINAL STARTERS = 28.23 (28 years, 84 days)
    AVG AGE OF FIELD PLAYERS = 27.67 (27 years, 244 days)

    2015 WC FINALS STARTERS
    33.85 - Hope Solo
    30.86 - Ali Krieger
    23.16 - Julie (Johnston) Ertz
    30.00 - Becky Sauerbrunn
    26.84 - Meghan Klingenberg
    27.02 - Tobin Heath
    22.27 - Morgan Brian
    27.68 - Lauren Holiday
    29.92 - Megan Rapinoe
    26.03 - Alex Morgan
    32.89 - Carli Lloyd

    AVG AGE OF 2019 WC POSSIBLE STARTERS = 29.11 (29 years, 40 days)
    AVG AGE OF FIELD PLAYERS = 28.91 (28 years, 332 days)

    2019 POSSIBLE STARTING LINEUP
    31.13 - Alyssa Naeher
    30.84 - Kelley O'Hara
    26.07 - Abby Dahlkemper
    34.00 - Becky Sauerbrunn
    26.93 - Crystal Dunn
    27.17 - Julie Ertz
    25.03 - Lindsey Horan
    24.07 - Rose Lavelle
    30.03 - Alex Morgan
    31.02 - Tobin Heath
    33.92 - Megan Rapinoe

    OTHERS
    28.57 - Adrianna Franch
    33.63 - Ashlyn Harris
    34.86 - Ali Krieger
    25.53 - Emily Sonnett
    20.71 - Tierna Davidson
    31.82 - Allie Long
    26.66 - Samantha Mewis
    26.28 - Morgan Brian
    21.11 - Mallory Pugh
    30.44 - Christen Press
    31.27 - Jessica McDonald
    36.89 - Carli Lloyd

    The average age of the players that see the bulk of playing time might be a year older than the 2015 team.
     
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  5. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I think your 2019 starting line-up is right on -- but I would start Sam Mewis rather than Lavelle in the midfield. Mewis is so much stronger on defense, and pretty good on offense also.
     
  6. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    #56 Kevin625, May 2, 2019
    Last edited: May 2, 2019
    Yeah, that's not my preferred starting lineup, just the lineup that Ellis seems to want to play the most.

    I love Mewis and think she should be a starter along with Ertz in the midfield. I have my reservations about both Horan and Lavelle and would be fine with either starting, but I think we're better with just one of them plus Mewis.
     
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  7. hocbz

    hocbz Member

    Feb 15, 2016
    Developing "players" was the wrong term, and I misspoke. I meant scouting the right players, and building a roster. The WNT is not a development program.
     
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  8. hocbz

    hocbz Member

    Feb 15, 2016
    What is ellis' type of OB? A center back or forward playing out of position? I would have less of an issue with her selections if they were coherent. She claims to like attacking OB's, yet her preferences for Davdison and Sonnett (now apparently Krieger) at those positions make no sense in context.

    Looking at what the team needs, and Brian's performance compared to Zerboni's over the past 3 years... I just don't understand why Brian is on this roster. They need a defensive midfielder that can fill in for Ertz. Brian is not that. Long isn't that either. Zerboni is very good at winning the ball and making forward plays. The other two mostly back pass.
     
  9. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pele??.....Messi??
     
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  10. hocbz

    hocbz Member

    Feb 15, 2016
    lmao if Ellis was Barca's coach, she would have Messi playing outside back.
     
  11. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    She has little say in roster building. Almost all of the spots are contracted. As much as I don't care for Ellis' coaching, I can't fault her for roster selection.
     
  12. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Well, i'm not sure what this means--she's not Ellis's type of OB. I think everyone agrees she's a very good defensive player, which is job 1 for a fullback, and who was Short just dropped for? Answer: Krieger, another defensive player. Is Krieger better defensively than Short? I don't really care one way or another, but if Short was not Ellis's type of OB, why keep inviting her to camp and having her on the squad? She been a a regular roster player for, what two years--and yet almost never played--which was very strange indeed. It's very weird for someone to be a regular on the squad for as long as Short as been and then suddenly be dropped in favor of a player, Krieger, who'd herself been in soccer Siberia for two years. Now, wham, she wants Krieger again. It makes Ellis look bad, IMO.
     
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  13. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    How can you not fault her for roster selection?

    She's bringing in aging, injured and/or out-of-form players to fill the final spots on a team that already has a lot of age and injuries.

    This is the same coach that brought an injured and embarassingly out-of-form/condition Rapinoe to OG16.

    Her decision to bring Rapinoe with a limited roster was immediately questioned by everyone. She hadn't played since tearing her ACL 8 months prior in December. She brought her though and played her in the last Group Stage game and Rapinoe was awful. Then, in the QF, she brought her in and had to waste 2 subs to get less than 30 minutes out of her, which was inexcusable.

    It was one of the most brain-dead coaching decisions I've seen in my lifetime, which 100% started with a roster selection mistake.
     
  14. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Doesn't Ellis pick the Allocated players every year? It is possible she can only change a certain number or something, but she is the only one with input on who is under contract, afaik.
     
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  15. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Zerboni and Short are allocated.

    Krieger, Davidson and McDonald are not allocated.

    22 ALLOCATED PLAYERS FOR 2019
    Morgan Brian
    Julie Ertz
    Alyssa Naeher
    Casey Short
    Abby Dahlkemper
    Crystal Dunn
    Sam Mewis
    McCall Zerboni
    Ashlyn Harris
    Alex Morgan
    Adrianna Franch
    Tobin Heath
    Lindsey Horan
    Emily Sonnett
    Allie Long
    Megan Rapinoe
    Carli Lloyd
    Kelley O’Hara
    Christen Press
    Becky Sauerbrunn
    Rose Lavelle
    Mallory Pugh
     
  16. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    20 or 21 spots are guaranteed. Her hands are tied for friendlies let alone World Cup.

    Please don't get me started on Rapinoe. I think the international game has passed her at the top levels and she will be exposed. I hope I'm wrong.
     
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  17. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    This is wrong.
     
  18. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    You know who I feel bad for? Crystal Dunn. She's the new Lauren Cheney.

    What does Crystal Dunn have to do to actually play the position where she helps the team the most. Her versatility is being used against her. She's not even the third choice outside back for the Courage, but she's going to find herself playing there in France. While it's a step up from criminally being left off the 2015 squad (for marketing reasons - the injured Alex Morgan shouldn't have been on the squad), it's still another cycle where she's marginalized.

    I suppose it's better than being left off the squad altogether had Ellis actually decided to take some healthy outside backs.
     
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  19. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The WNT WWC squad took injured players to pretty much every tournament since (and including) 1999. The MNT took a couple to Germany 2006.
     
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  20. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I don't disagree with this at all. I'd personally rather see Press than Rapinoe, but Rapinoe is good (usually) at taking corners and has a pretty good outside shot... she's just too slow for me.
     
  21. Kevin625

    Kevin625 Member

    Jan 4, 2016
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Without a doubt, Dunn helps the team the most at LB.

    She's good, but there's definitely better options at forward and midfield, so she'd be coming off the bench and probably not the first choice off the bench either.
     
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  22. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    ??? She started every game, scored a goal and drew two PKs???

    Sure seemed useful to me...
     
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  23. Crazyhorse

    Crazyhorse Member

    Dec 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was hopeful a Florida State grad would make the final roster. Casey Short is a wonderful young woman and I can't help but feel terrible for her. Maybe the writing was on the wall, I cannot remember the last time she actually played for the team. To make 20/21 rosters leading up to this tournament and not make the team is a real punch in the gut. I'll still be pulling hard for team USA this summer!!!!
     
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  24. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the number of contracts, but contracts come up every 6 months. Ellis and the coaching staff are the ones who decide who stays on contract and who loses theirs. Her hands were somewhat tied in 2015, but having been coach for this entire cycle, this is the roster Ellis built, and she owns it.
     
  25. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    I would start Mewis over Horan. Mewis is way better on the dribble, wayyyyyyyyy better defensively, way more mobile on offense and defense, a better passer. Horan is better in the air and has a moderately better shot. But, Mewis is ok in the air, and we have Ertz for set pieces. It's kind of surprising to me that Horan starts over Mewis.
     

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