Youngsters in MLS (1997 or later)

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  1. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    This is a fascinating point. Not only do people overrate MLS, overrate Americans in MLS, but they also overrate the foreign DPs in MLS. They are good players, but they are not anywhere near Real Madrid. Almiron dominates in MLS, but looked very pedestrian in the recent game against a not full strength USMNT.

    The first step for any USMNT, that doesn't move, should be to dominate MLS.
     
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  2. USAMEX10

    USAMEX10 Member+

    Sep 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Or maybe the young USMNT was just that good? The team didn’t look out of place tying Portugal a couple months ago either
     
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  3. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    tommy redding is another jordan allen, zach pfeffer, luis gil, etc.

    gets games young, but isnt really good.
     
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  4. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    SOMETIMES?????
     
  5. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    lol
    neither are 99% of players in holland, turkey, russia, belgium, portugal
    or 90% of players in england, italy, spain, germany, france.

    what exactly was the point here?
     
  6. Tactical Hipster

    Dec 23, 2014
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't disagree with you, but injuries have played a bit part of stalling Allen's development. Prior to his injury issues, I thought he would be a really good wingback.
     
  7. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alternatively, those guys are Atlanta's key players. If you take one of them away form their starting lineup, then suddenly Atlanta doesn't look so dominant compared to other MLS teams. They may not be as good as Dortmund's worse players, but throwing a youth player, where a lull in production is expected, in for Villalba will hurt Atlanta much more than Dortmund subbing out Schurrle.
     
  8. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    You can't be serious.

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
     
  9. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    I am serious. And don't call me Schurrle.
     
  10. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How has Justin Glad been playing?
     
  11. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas getting away with straight murder right now, holy sht
     
  12. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Brooks Lennon ('97) seems to have transitioned to Right Back and seems to be doing well already. He made the MLS Team of the Week. Although, he is playing Left Back in the team of the week...
     
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  13. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
  15. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Hes not wrong.....
     
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  16. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's funny to hear a league like MLS talk about winning being important. There are clubs like New England which still operate very similarly to a MLS1.0 club and there is a commissioner who seemingly wants to add a new club every other year to the league.

    Winning matters to the fans in the stands, the coaches, and the players. That is it.

    In fact, in the modern era of huge tv deals and online streaming franchises do not actually have to put together winning teams to make money. That's the point of single entity.

    Franchises should be focused more on building a strong organizational base rather than winning outright. I think a part of that is playing talented youngsters in league games and bilding up a stable academy.
     
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  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Except for Weah consistently lining up next to Neymar.
     
  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Just so we're all on the same page, Timothy Weah has played a grand total of 32 minutes in his first team career across all competitions. Andrew Carleton has played 106 first team minutes for Atlanta across all competitions. Three times as many. Chris Durkin has played 370 first team minutes for DCU since he was signed. More than 10 times as many. That there is an actual fact. Of the members of the 2017 U17 WC squad, those two have played the most first team minutes. Chris Durkin has played more minutes than all of our youngsters based abroad combined (Dest, Gloster, Sargent, Vassilev, dos Santos, Booth, George Acosta, Jacobo Reyes, Weah, etc.)

    Now what we would say is that it should be much easier for a youngster to break into Atlanta or DCUs lineup than PSG's lineup. Another fact. However, let's not use Timothy Weah's 32 minutes for PSG when they were going thru Champions League fixture congestion and injuries as some sort of sign that Euro clubs are more willing to give playing time to youngsters than MLS teams. We can make other arguments for that.

    I will say this, and I'll get it trouble for saying this. ARticles like that focus on the negative as opposed to the positives that have come from the homegrown initiative. It only started in 2007, and half the teams in the league are 10 years old or less. We can knock certain clubs, but we can equally shower praise on clubs like RSL, Philly, NYRB, etc. that are walking the walk in a very short period of time.
    In every European league there are clubs that use youth/player development as a primary means of player acquisition, and there are those that don't.
     
  19. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    And Josh Perez still has has 15 minutes in Serie A. Still YNT-eligible. Haven't seen a post about him in a while.
     
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  20. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I just said that statement that Weah is consistently lining up next to Neymar isn't true.
     
  21. USAMEX10

    USAMEX10 Member+

    Sep 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Good mention... He's been an after thought since he's been getting minutes in Serie C. But if he can carve out appearances in Serie A, ya definitely deserves a call up.
     
  22. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    In some sense leagues don't care about winning since some teams are going to win and some teams are going to lose by construction. Fans however care very much about winning and so teams have to care also (to various extents). Why should I care about my team building a strong organizational base if it doesn't help it win?
     
  23. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think what fans really want to see is that their club has a plan. What is our "business model." If you're a NYRB fan, then you know the plan. You can either get behind it or not. If you're an FCD fan you know the team is going to try to build thru the academy and predominantly young South Americans. You know the plan. Some years it works. Some years it doesn't. But its a project you can get behind and be part of the journey with the organization.

    There are some clubs like Colorado, New England, etc. that you watch and just wonder "what is the plan here?"
     
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  24. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would a former MLS GM ( who resigned because the team moved to a HS facility with turf with football markings) troll MLS?
     
  25. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    "not great, Bob"
     
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