You can't stop singing about us - OTT 41 [R]

Oh, dear. Real heroes, aren’t they?

 

As near as dammit, yes. The subjectivity of offsides has been MASSIVELY reduced. What's the problem???

 

It's the rule! VAR allows more or less perfect application of said rule. Everyone arguing against is saying either:

1. They don't like the rule (which is nothing to do with VAR); or
2. They like some subjectivity and randomness in the calls.

 

of course it has everything to do with VAR.

this is what I said earlier ....
the offside rule exists for only one reason - to avoid attackers getting an unfair advantage. nobody sane could say that these microscopic offsides are giving an advantage to the attacker, and applying VAR that way is making a joke of the offside rule. VAR is turning the offside rule on its head - it's now giving defenders an unfair advantage.

because of VAR, the offside rule needs to change to get back to some semblance of sense. gonna happen, just a question of when.

 

All you are saying is you don't think the current off-side rule is a good rule if properly enforced.

 

Yes.

 

"properly" is the key word.

right now, VAR is being used to apply a nonsensical standard to decide that an attacker has an advantage (eg "his ear was 3mm ahead of the defender") makes zero sense whatsoever, and has to change.

 

It's not being used to decide if he has an advantage. It's being used to decide if he's offside!

So you are saying you don't want an exact rule, but something blurry that some official will subjectively rule on?

 

being offside is an advantage - why else does the rule exist ffs !

 

You have to separate the existing rule from what you perceive to be fair.

Some questions for you:

1. At present, the rule is the rule is the rule. VAR accurately enforces the current rule. Agree?

2. If you think the rule is unfair, what would you do instead?

3. On the assumption the ref/linesmen used to get it right (say) 85% of the time, by your logic that is still unacceptable to you on tight calls where the attacker was not really gaining any advantage??? In this respect, nothing has changed???

 

A problem with the whole thing is you still get calls from the linesman where he gets it wrong and ruins the attack. It happened in the Chelsea game. If VAR is going to be used to evaluate offsides then referees should let all those situations go and let VAR take it when there is a stop in play. Only blatant offsides should be taken by the referee. Var can only correct offside calls in favour of the defending team so to make it fair no remotely doubtful offside should be called by the referee.

 

What a F'kn mess!!!

 

I'm largely in the delaynomo camp here. VAR is finding players offside and calling it. Yes, the degree of offside varies from the minuscule to the large. But what I don't understand is those who are claiming that because he's only 2mm offside, it's not a clear advantage, therefore no foul, play on.

Offside is offside in much the same way as all-of-the-ball-over-all-of-the-line is the standard for a goal, a throw or a corner/goalkick. And if 2mm is too close to call, then how about 3mm? Or 53mm? or 274mm? Where does it stop, what distance offside is enough to be called?

For the sake of argument, let's say it's 750mm. Next up, will be the argument that he was only 751mm offside, why call it, it's only 1mm? Or that it should have been called even though he was 749mm offside.

Like the goal standard, off is off, be it 2mm or 2000mm.

 

actual distance is part of the issue but there's more to it. you have to consider why the rule exists, which is to prevent attackers from positioning themselves to get an advantage.

example:
an attacker has his back to the goal, and the defender is facing the goal.
the attacker's bum is 2mm closer to the goal when the ball is played.
VAR will call that offside.
but how is that any kind of advantage?

 

There’s a simple solution: Off is off.

(Regardless if it’s your arse, nipple or middle toe).

 

This fkn VAR thing has permeated almost every thread.
There's a thread already out for VAR. Yeah, I'm as bad but lets use the official one posted, owned, sponsored and sanctioned by our own Erudite Hobo.

Yes, Hobos can be erudite, not sure on this one though
I'll have to google and see what it means.

 

Just ask Zaq

 

Exactly the same situations existed before VAR. In previous seasons did you object when TV replays showed the attacker was indeed 6 inches offside but "with back to goal and not gaining an advantage"? Or did you just shrug and think "tight call but correct"?

Nothing has really changed!

 

Now they can concentrate on the league.

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49820240
Spurs have won four of their past 17 games. They have not won on the road this season.

Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino said he needs time to overcome the "different agendas in the squad" after his side's difficult start to the season continued with a Carabao Cup exit at League Two Colchester United.

Pochettino and Spurs have simply not been themselves since the Champions League final defeat by Liverpool

 

yeah he's setting a great example isn't he.

as far as "different agendas" the players look like they are not getting along -- I watched a bit of their game vs LCFC, where Kane looked ready to kill Son after Son took a shot in the box instead of passing to him.

(that said, I'm sure Spurs fans would point to Mane yelling about Salah the other week)