Yanks Abroad: The latest 23 tickets to South Africa

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by bshredder, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=4060

    They make some good points but also have some glaring omissions.

    They fail to mention Danny Szetela as even in consideration. I actually think he will make the team in 2010 if healthy. He seems like a player Bob Bradley will like.

    Charlie Davies should be higher on the list.

    Marvel Wynne should also be higher on the list.

    They mention Cervi but not Chris Setiz as a potential 3rd keeper?

    No mention of Michael Orozco.

    Robbie Rogers will also be considered over the next 18 months. I can't believe they didn't mention him.
     
  2. prowazekii

    prowazekii Member

    Jun 21, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmmmm, they don't have lil' Bradley as a lock to make the team? :eek: Not sure these guys know what they're talking about.:rolleyes::D
     
  3. Barcasox

    Barcasox Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    Club:
    Athletic Club Bilbao
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lol for the Mcbride love. Could we really take a 38 year old? Wouldn't that be a step back? We need to move past him.
     
  4. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1) Silly omissions: Buddle, Rogers, Orozco, Bornstein, Marshall, Hejduk, Seitz, and a host of other MLS GK's ahead of Cervi (though BB will never give them the chance: Cannon, Reis, Busch, Hesmer).

    2) They rag on our lack of depth at forward, yet they think we take five forwards: Donovan, Ching, Altidore, Cooper, and Johnson. Makes no sense whatsover. No way Johnson makes it.

    Other than that, fairly solid. Though I don't for a second think Califf or DeMerit makes it.
     
  5. ADUEDUALTIDORE

    ADUEDUALTIDORE New Member

    Aug 25, 2008
    Mite as well throw out who i think will be on the roster come 2 years barring injuries

    GK
    Howard
    Guzan
    Seitz

    RB
    Dolo
    Wynne

    CB
    Onyewu
    Boca
    Orozco- Seems like a bradley type player
    Califf-Possibly subotic

    LB
    Pearce
    Spector

    LW
    Beasley
    Rogers

    CM
    Bradley
    Edu
    Klejstan
    Holden

    RM
    Dempsey
    Donovan
    Freddy

    FW
    Altidore-Will 100 percent start
    Davies
    Cooper

    I believe bradley will come around and give davies and cooper a shot and they will take it.

    After doing that there really arent many spots that are wide open I would say FW is, Holden and Rogers, Orozco and Califf but cud be locked up by soumare and subotic, Wynne and Spector the rest I believe barring injury are 100 percent going.

    IMO really only 8 field player tickets up for grab

    Just cause they are under lm or rm doesnt mean thats where I would plan on playing them just rough estimate.
     
  6. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's my 23 with alternates. And this is how I see it in 2 years. Not if the WC were today.

    GK (3)

    Howard
    Guzan
    Seitz

    Defenders (8)

    Cherundolo
    Bocanegra
    Onyewu
    Pearce
    Spector
    Wynne
    Califf*
    Demerit**

    Midfielders (8)

    Adu
    Bradley
    Beasley
    Dempsey
    Edu
    Szetela
    Rogers
    Kljestan

    Forwards (4)

    Altidore
    Donvan
    Davies
    Cooper

    *replaced by Subotic if Subotic declares for the USA. Califf becomes alternate.
    ** replaced by Bakary Soumary if passport issues are cleared up. Demerit becomes alternate

    Alternates: Holden, Feilhaber, J. White, R. Clark, Reis, Orozco, Simek, Convey, Gibbs, Parkhurst
     
  7. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the weakest 23 tickets I've read. I usually like this feature as a pulse check, but there is far too little consideration to the depth of the player pool. Additionally, the inclusion of McBride is a ridiculous suggestion.

    Realistically, the pool should be 35-40 guys. David Yelldell is not one of those players.
     
  8. Nerazzuri

    Nerazzuri New Member

    Jan 23, 2006
    St Louis

    It seems like David Yelldell is always included though, even when he was playing with Stuttgarter Kickers.

    We're two years away from the cup, and they feel the need to list our goalkeeping depth, all the way down to #8, just to include him. They must be the only people in the world who think they know who the US national team's eighth string 'keeper is. Most of us don't really know who's number three.

    And the fact that they pass over several quality MLS keepers, who are seeing regular action, as well as someone like Quentin Westberg, who is A) younger, B) has been part of a European 2nd division side longer, and C) has made several appearances with US youth teams. (For the record, I am not advocating Westberg for the squad, or the list. Simply pointing out some omissions they make, while including Yelldell.)

    Yanks abroad are the only people who seem to think Yelldell is on the US radar, let alone worthy of consideration. It makes me think he is related to, or knows someone with y-a, who feels the need to keep propping him up.
     
  9. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it blasphemous for me to suggest that I wouldn't have an issue if Bocanegra and Dempsey weren't on the roster in 2010? The notion that they are "sure things" bothers me a bit, given that they both, despite their experience, have holes in their games. Boca's propensity to boot the ball down the field hurts our attack in my view while Dempsey, despite his ball skills, brings an erratic work ethic and limited speed. I guess with respect to Dempsey it has more to do with him not having a clearly defind position as well as the ascension of other midfielders who in my view make us a more dangerous and versatile team [thinking of Holden, Kljestan in particular].
     
  10. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would also add that with respect to Dempsey, I think Beasley brings more to the table consistently and the comparision to Joe Cole is ridiculous.
     
  11. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    GK (3)

    Howard
    Guzan
    Seitz

    Defenders (8)

    Cherundolo
    Bocanegra
    Onyewu
    Pearce
    Spector
    Wynne
    Parkhurst
    Demerit

    Midfielders (8)

    Adu
    Bradley
    Beasley
    Dempsey
    Edu
    Szetela
    Rogers
    Kljestan

    Forwards (4)

    Altidore
    Donovan
    Davies
    Cooper

    these are my guys
     
  12. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has anyone seen just how difficult the Hex could be in CONCACAF? Isn't this talk incredibly premature? If the hex has PAN, SLV, CR, & HON -- I don't consider having a plane to SA is a given.

    I do expect the US to win. I'm not saying they would not. I'm just saying it would be tough enough that speculation on players for SA is premature.
     
  13. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    ah, usa , mexico, honduras are my 3 nations going...

    costa rica...please, they are in transition....

    el salvador has NO chance...

    guatemala or t&t....next to no chance...

    4th gets you a play-off with comnebol...

    usa and mexico are virtual locks...

    honduras a clear choice over costa rica, although honduras does mess up a game here or there
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    This is BigSoccer. Speculation is what we do. I'm suprised there isn't a 23 tickets to WC14 yet.

    My 23:

    GK: Howard, Guzan, Seitz

    D: Cherundolo, Simek, Spector, Bocanegra, Onyewu, Parkhurst, Pearce, Bornstein

    M: Beasley, Rogers, Edu, Bradley, Szetela, Clark, Dempsey, Adu

    F: Altidore, Donovan, Cooper, Davies

    And there you go.
     
  15. mcnaulty21

    mcnaulty21 Member

    Feb 6, 2007
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolute horsesh*t article if you ask me. McBride? Cervi? Keller still on the list? No Seitz?

    Y-A has really fallen off.
     
  16. aceterp

    aceterp New Member

    Feb 17, 2007
    Harrisburg, PA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not one of the better "23 tickets to " articles... Cervi.. are you kidding? THe guy is a joke. Plenty of keepers ahead of him. Ommission of Rogers completely is bewildering, as well as a few others possibles in MLS...
    McBride..haha that has to be a joke.
     
  17. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel like BigSoccer might do well to implement an anti-jinx pledge, in which all posters agreed never to discuss the US' future performance in any tournament requiring qualification in anything but the subjunctive and conditional. Or maybe it would be enough to put a header on all USMNT forums reading, "All discussions about the United States' performance in South Africa 2010 (and Brazil 2014, etc.) are meant to be understood as hypothetical discussions of what we would like to see happen given the continued beneficence of the Fates."

    The fates, let us remember, are as testy and vindictive as ex-spouses. Or Newcastle fans.

    I wonder if the interwebs have just caught up with them. These days, having rudimentary German and Setanta Sports isn't enough to say something about yanks abroad that most US soccer fans haven't already heard. And, you know, I hear there are yanks abroad who aren't in Europe. It's like there are whole other countries outside of America and Europe, I think, and they even play soccer in some of them (although I guess it's pretty dangerous to play there because if you chase the ball too far you'll fall off the edge of the world into the pit of monstrous wyrms).
     
  18. mcadaal

    mcadaal Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    Virginia Beach, VA
    My 23


    GK (3)

    Howard
    Guzan
    Seitz

    Defenders (8)

    Cherundolo
    Bocanegra
    Onyewu
    Pearce
    Orozco (I know, I know..what can I say..I like his style and he's healthy)
    Wynne
    Subotic (as long as he's going to decide to play for the U.S..If not, Simek and Spector better get healthy)
    Demerit

    Midfielders (8)

    Adu
    Bradley
    Beasley (If he can't better his recent performances, I'd rather take a Masteroni or possibly a Rogers..I didn't enjoy saying this)
    Dempsey
    Edu
    Szetela
    Holden
    Kljestan

    Forwards (4)

    Altidore
    Donovan
    Davies
    Cooper


    Rossi (I joke, I joke)


    Please don't come to Africa:
    1. EJ
    2. Twellman
    3. Ching
    4. Convey
    5. Clark
    6. McBride
    7. Feilhaber
    8. Bornstein
    9. Parkhurst
    10. Cervi
     
  19. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    total copycat
     
  20. PhillyQuakesFan

    PhillyQuakesFan New Member

    Jun 25, 2007
    Delaware County, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My 23:

    GK - Howard, Guzan, Hahnemann
    D - Cherundolo, Spector, Wynne, Pearce, Onyewu, Bocanegra, Demerit, Marshall
    MF - Bradley, Clark, Edu, Szetela, Donovan, Adu, Beasley, Rogers, Dempsey
    F - Altidore, Cooper, Davies

    Alternates: Reis, Hejduk, Califf, Kljestan, Holden, Ching, Johnson
     
  21. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah right. All we have to do is finish in the top 3 out of 6 teams to book our trip. Basically, Mexico, Honduras & Costa Rica would all have to come out on top of us, which would pit us against the 5th place team from CONMEBOL for the final WC spot. Obviously, no one wants to be in that position, but I just don't see any way on God's green earth that Costa Rica finishes ahead of us in the hex. Perhaps Honduras could, if we undergo a meltdown next year, but not CR. They aren't the team they were 8 years ago, or 4.


    Well, since you brought it up:

    GK: Howard, Guzan, Seitz
    DEF: Wynne, Parkhurst, Spector, Pearce, Wallace, Simek, Orozco
    MID: Donovan, Adu, Rogers, Bradley, Edu, Kljestan, Szetela, Shea
    FOR: Altidore, Davies, Cooper, Jerome

    :eek:
     
  22. mcnaulty21

    mcnaulty21 Member

    Feb 6, 2007
    Wisconsin
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've got room for one more :D
     
  23. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    Even though I'm not a fan of throwing out "potential" rosters/lineups, I'd say these 23 (at this point in time, still plenty of time for people to rise and fall) would travel to South Africa two years from now.

    Goalkeepers

    1. Tim Howard
    18. Brad Guzan
    23. Marcus Hahnemann

    Defenders

    6. Steve Cherundolo
    22. Oguchi Onyewu
    3. Carlos Bocanegra
    2. Heath Pearce
    21. Marvell Wynne
    17. Jonathan Spector
    15. Michael Orozco
    20. Dan Califf

    Midfielders

    4. Michael Bradley
    13. Maurice Edu
    7. DaMarcus Beasley
    11. Freddy Adu
    5. Benny Feilhaber
    16. Sacha Kljestan
    14. Stuart Holden

    Forwards

    10. Landon Donovan
    9. Eddie Johnson
    12. Josmer Altidore
    8. Clint Dempsey
    19. Kenny Cooper
     
  24. USA2010?

    USA2010? Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    I think that having a MF, that can hold and distribute, just ahead of the back line will allow Gooch and Boca to NOT boot it downfield. Against T&T, it was an improvement, but the question is, "Was this improvement due to tactics or because of T&T?" I fear it was due to T&T. Will see if either Bradley or Edu can become that distributer ahead of the back line...because I don't see anyone else with that ability or vision, at least today looking forward 2 years.
     
  25. mcadaal

    mcadaal Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    Virginia Beach, VA
    I thought it was the 4th placed team in CONCACAF that actually faces the the fifth-placed team of the Asian qualifiying tournament. Did they change it for this World Cup.. or am I just misunderstood? :confused:

    Hold up.. I found out they actually did changed it.. It is Oceania that will actually be taking on the fifth-placed team of the Asian qualifiying tournament and we will be taking on the fifth team from CONMEBOL. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/nccamerica/competitionformat.html
     

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