Worst Brazil NT ever?

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by MIGkiller, Aug 12, 2012.

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Worst Brazil NT ever?

  1. Brazil 2000-2001

    13 vote(s)
    46.4%
  2. Brazil 2011-2012

    15 vote(s)
    53.6%
  1. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Maybe Ronaldo not as much.
     
  2. Fabio Grosso 2006

    Fabio Grosso 2006 BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    AC Milan
    youre right about the rest tho.
     
  3. Clenbuterol

    Clenbuterol Red Card

    Aug 25, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    The 2001 team that went to the Copa America was pretty bad. They lost to Honduras and Mexico that tournament.
     
  4. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    They lose to Mexico all the time.
     
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  5. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Brazil vs Mexico 21W D6 L10
     
  6. Clenbuterol

    Clenbuterol Red Card

    Aug 25, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    Well that is not the point.

    Losing to two CONCACAF teams was just plain awful and shameful for them. That team they brought to Colombia was horrendous.
     
  7. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not back then we didn't. This past decade is when Mexico has gotten some more wins.
     
  8. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    It´s not just CONCACAF teams, Mexico had already been giving Brazil trouble and had results against them plus they had made their mark in CONMEBOL already so it´s not just any CONCACAF team. If there is anything shameful is losing to Honduras not Mexico.

    Mexico had already beaten Brazil in the Confederations cup final in 99, given Brazil hell in 97 and the year before they needed a wonder goal from Romario to tie Mexico in Guadalajara during the middle of the worst era of the Mexican NT. So it wasn´t that surprising for Mexico to win that game.
     
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  9. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Mexico did give us close games. The Confed Cup final was not our main team at the time and it was in Mexico. Still it was 4 x 3. In 97 we beat Mexico in Miami 4 x 0 Romario hat trick and it could have been more .... I was there. You must be talking about some other game. Regardless, the quote was, Mexico beat Brazil regularly, and that's just not the case. Specially outside of Mexico which is where 2001 Copa America was.
     
  10. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    I was talking about 97 Copa America. Mexico went 2-0 up against Brazil and Brazil had to make a comeback and Camilo Romero have a nightmare game that lived for him the rest of his life for them to get the 3-2 win. Also Mexico had given Brazil good games in the 99 Copa America besides the Confederations cup final. And Mexico had already established itself as a great team in CONMEBOL. And even if they didn´t regularly beat then, they did after it so it´s not a shock or an embarassment the way that losing to Honduras was. The guy is just trying to discredit Mexico like he always does.
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Anyway, that's getting away from the point of the thread which I'm sure is asking, is today's Brazil "A" team the worst ever? It certainly seems that it is (or at least the worst since the 1950s). And worryingly for them, the 2014 World cup is approaching fast. But maybe home advantage will help mask how sub-par they are (kind of like Germany in 2006).
     
  12. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    No I think they were worse from the mid 20s to early 30s.
     
  13. kickball21

    kickball21 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Guatemala
    i think this team is the worst brazil of my memory. back then, even though they lost to honduras you could make a case for the fact that it wasn't their "A team". and the fact that they almost failed to qualify for the world cup is way over shadowed by the fact that the same team did win it. (2010 uruguay almost didn't qualify for the WC, but uruguay fans will say this 4th place WC team was one of their best ever). anyway the brazil 2001 team didn't perform to standards in qualifying but were still feared. they had some of the best players in the world and you knew all the had to do was click. on the other hand, this current team just sucks. they are going to need a miracle to do well in the WC an they don't have the world-class players of the past to get them over this terrible hump
     
  14. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Agree. Plus the whole "Brazil almost didn't qualify for WC 2002" is blown out of proportion. Please! They had a 4 point lead on Colombia with 3 matches left, and those 3 matches were against Chile, Bolivia and Venezuela (back when Chile and Venezuela sucked!). They pretty much would have had to lose all 3 of those easy matches to not qualify, 2 of which were at home.
     
  15. kickball21

    kickball21 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Guatemala
    i think this brazil team would have a hard time qualifying as well, but we'll never know considering they automatically qualify being the host nation. i also think the lack of meaningful games is gonna hurt them at the WC
     
  16. Calabreza

    Calabreza New Member

    Jun 28, 2012
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    This current team is the worst I have seen....by far.

    Back then we had some of the best players in the world....now we have one guy that MAYBE will become a top player.
     
  17. kickball21

    kickball21 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Guatemala
    that's a bit harsh, i think thiago silva is already one of the best defenders in the world.
     
  18. Calabreza

    Calabreza New Member

    Jun 28, 2012
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Yes, T. Silva is good. But imo he would be on the bench if we try to put him in Brazil's previous squads. And I think the same would occur with Ramirez, Oscar, David Luiz, and the rest of them...
     
  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    And obviously Dani Alves is too. The defense (and goaltending) is just as good as always. Just the forwards and attacking midfielders are way inferior.
     
  20. kickball21

    kickball21 Member

    Jan 13, 2007
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Guatemala
    i disagree. silva is awesome, but i might be a bit biased because he played at milan. but, i agree with the other players not being good enough. as far as full backs, yes marcelo and dani alves are good offensively but they are terrible defensively. back in the day cafu and roberto carlos were good going forward and defending. but thats just my opinion
     
  21. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's strange when I saw Brazil against GB I thought they had an outstanding crop of young players who were destined to be big stars in the future (I really liked Oscar). But thinking about it do Brazil have a single offensive superstar in Europe currently? Maybe Hulk.

    They could be hosting the World Cup at exactly the wrong time.
     
  22. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    maybe .. and hope not

    Note that 1- this Brazil NT was formed with many young starlets in Neymar, ganso, Lucas, Damao Oscar, Pato, Danilo, Marcello, Davis Luiz , Dede ... (all <25) with Thiago and Hulk are >26.

    and 2- Brazil league were in reform state with better funding so most of them have big salary even playing there. In a sense it made harder for Europe leagues to buy them (than before)
     
  23. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Reminds me a bit of Germany's situation in 2004. It also seemed like they were about to host a WC at the worst possible time. It worked-out for them as the home advantage helped a mediocre team get far. However I don't think Brazilians would celebrate (and brag) over a 3rd-place finish like the Germans have done recently. So there's a lot of pressure!
     
  24. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    options are bad neither of these two are the worst brasil teams ever now if what you meant was to choose who is better between these two than the 2001-02 team was better but the 2011-12 generation will do a lot more and will win the world cup 2014


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  25. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    So which particular year team was worse?

    How would they do more? (the team 01-02 + Ronaldo+ Scolari eventually won WC)
    This team already lost the olympic... (well more than half the team tehre) and look shaky now (vs big NT) Thanks 2 more years for chance of improvement
     

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