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  1. GUANACO1

    GUANACO1 Member

    May 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    In these forums I have not seen any animosity between El Salvador and Honduras fans. We'll see !




    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0415/1224244716007.html

    When qualification really is a matter of life and death

    [​IMG]Honduran captain Carlos Pavon Plumer celebrates scoring on their way to a 5-0 win over El Salvador in San Pedro Sula, Honduras, in 2000. - (Photograph: Orlando Sierra/AFP/Getty Images)

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    DAMIAN CULLENTHE FOOTBALL WAR: HONDURAS v EL SALVADOR: Only once has a derby tie been singled out as responsible for starting a war between nations
    SOCCER HAS been blamed for hooliganism, vandalism, riots and even the fall of governments. But only once has a derby tie been singled out as responsible for starting a war between nations.
    In the North/Central American Zone for the 1970 World Cup finals, Honduras finished top of the first qualifying group, with El Salvador at the head of their group.
    With Mexico the host nation for the finals tournament, there was just a single qualifying spot up for grabs in the region, and so the stakes were high when Honduras and El Salvador met for the two-legged semi-final.
    The first game took place in the capital of Honduras, Tegucigalpa, on June 8th, 1969, with the home side recording a 1-0 victory.
    At the time, there were simmering tensions between the countries, due largely to issues concerning immigration from El Salvador, which had twice the population of its neighbour, into Honduras, which is much greater in geographical size.
    Not surprisingly, Honduras’ victory was greeted by the home population as much more than simply a victory in football.
    In El Salvador, the loss was met with outrage, and the national side – who complained that their hotel in Tegucigalpa was the scene of rioting and loud chanting on the night before the game – on their return to San Salvador was made to attend the televised funeral of a teenage girl who had shot herself after witnessing the defeat.
    A week later, the Honduras team arrived at Flor Blanco Stadium for the second leg in armoured vehicles.
    Tensions had already boiled over, with three Salvadorans dying in rioting prior to the second leg.
    Not surprisingly, the home side played as if their lives depended on the result, claiming a 3-0 victory. However, the result did not prevent rioting erupting again and visiting supporters were attacked on the journey back to Honduras. As the reports filtered back to Honduras, retaliatory attacks on Salvadorans living there escalated.
    Meanwhile, with the home sides winning both games – and aggregate scores not yet being the deciding factor in World Cup qualifying ties – a play-off match was needed.
    On June 26th, despite the recent games having brought the countries to the brink of war, Honduras and El Salvador met in Mexico City, with El Salvador prevailing 3-2 after extra-time.
    The Honduran fans sat on one side of the stadium, with supporters of El Salvador on the other. Between them stood 5,000 armed Mexican policemen. There were few reports of trouble.
    That evening, diplomatic relations between the nations were broken off.
    On July 5th, 1969, The Irish Times reported on the escalating border clashes, commenting – under the headline “Football War gets to shooting stage” – that “the long-standing feud between the two Central-American Republics reached the present acute stage when last month El Salvador and Honduras played elimination matches for the 1970 World Cup”.
    Inevitably, on July 14th, the Salvadoran army launched a ground and air invasion. While the offensive was initially successful, it eventually ground to a halt several miles inside Honduras.
    The Organisation of American States quickly negotiated a ceasefire, which took effect on July 20th.
    La Guerra del Fúbol, “The Football War”, was over, but not before the four-day conflict had claimed more than 4,000 lives – and resulted in 300,000 Salvadorans being forced to leave Honduras and return to their home country, where they were not welcomed.
    Since then, while the countries have met several times and every game has been treated as another battle between bitter adversaries, no game has had such dire consequences.
    Recently, Honduras and El Salvador have qualified for the fourth, and final, qualifying round in the North, Central America and Caribbean Zone for the 2010 World Cup finals, which began a few weeks ago.
    It will be no surprise should Honduras make the trip to South Africa next year. Their 3-1 home victory in San Pedro Sola against Mexico at the start of this month resulted in the sacking of the former England manager, Sven-Goran Eriksson.
    Carlo Costly, a striker who recently joined Birmingham City, scored twice, with the home favourite, Carols Pavan – who has 51 goals and 86 international caps – scoring Honduras’ other goal.
    The squad also includes Wigan defender Manor Figure and former Wigan midfielder Wilson Palaces, who recently signed for Tottenham.
    El Salvador’s squad, however, is almost exclusively from clubs within the country.
    Uniquely, the countries will meet no fewer than four times this year, having already met twice in the UNCAF 2009 Nations Cup.
    In the first game, in Tegucigalpa, the home side claimed a 2-0 victory, and the sides met again in the competition’s third-place play-off at the same venue, with the home team again winning, this time 1-0.
    On June 10th, the two will meet at Stadia Olympic Metropolitan in San Pedro Sola for the crucial World Cup qualifier, and the return fixture, on October 14th at Stadia Castilian in San Salvador, will be the final game in the World Cup qualifying section – and could well decide if either of the countries will have a direct interest in the 2010 World Cup finals.
    Thankfully, no matter what the result, neither game is expected to again result in one country invading the other.
    Honduras
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    El Salvador
     
  2. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    yea my mom was like 5 years old when this happen, and she knows everything about that war cuz she lived right there on the El Salvador, Honduran border in La Virtud, the department of Lempira in Honduras. it was a tough time she told me, she was living with her grandma and they lost everything, guerilleros took her house, siezed her livestock and forced her to live in this woods for months on end. it was bad man, very very bad, she knows all about it, she went to school with honduran troops present, she went to a school in el salvador in the city of sensutepece(don't know how to spell it) since it was like 3 hour walk then 2 hour and 30 minute bus ride after the walk. and my aunt lived 30 minutes via lancha, from Mapulaca.

    dude my mom knows all about this since she was born and raised on the border. she can tell you countless stories about it.
     
  3. GUANACO1

    GUANACO1 Member

    May 18, 2007
    Los Angeles


    I know about that Livestock, my grandfather bought some cows from un COronel who was his friend. That was in VIA DOLORES Cabanas, which is 15-20 minute drive to Sensuntepeque the capital of Cabanas, and close to the Honduras border. Yeah El Salvador took a lot of booty from honduras in revenge for blowing up all their Air FOrce. WHat silly leaders we had in central america in those days, gastando la plata en balas , Y la gente muriendo de hambre.
     
  4. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    lol dude i was doing research on Virtud and she told me she is related to Alvarengas via my grandfather, her father. which means im like royalty in Virtud lmao I can now root for spain since it sin my blood lol, but yea my mom wants me to visit over there one of these days, she claims to be more Salvadorian that Catrachan since she lived and travelled all through el salvador and even went to college there, during the little civil war they had in san salvador, and yea in sensatepeque thats where she did all their selling of fruit, big market place, and she always stood in manos de jesus, or a city like that which is known for all its bussling markets since its located on a river or travel way.
     
  5. el_cuscatleco

    el_cuscatleco Member

    Nov 2, 2006
    Melbourne, Australia
    There are still plenty of those so called "leaders" around the world today. And not only in third world countries, but in developed countries too :(
     
  6. cheguevara04

    cheguevara04 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    This game has not been much of a rivalry of late, and I don't expect it to start now. Honduras has a much better squad and I do not see that trend ending anytime soon. The MNT is much more talented, the youth teams are worlds ahead of El Salvador, and Honduras has a better football structure. While the current Salvadorian MNT has rejuvinated interest in the sport in the land of the Custaclanes, passion alone will not make up for the on the field short comings up this team. By the time Honduras plays El Salvador in San Salvador, I expect El Salvador to be out of the qualifying process and for the crowd to maybe even be pro Honduran. The game in Honduras in a couple of weeks will be a win or die game for El Salvador. I find it damn near imposible to believe that they will be even able to sneak out a point in San Pedro Sula.

    I am in my late 20's and I do not see El Salvador as a heated rival. I found myself rooting for El Salvador against the Nats. People in my generation have much more disdain for Costa Rica and Mexico then El Salvador. I wish El Salvador nothing but the best. I mean that. Against Honduras though, they still have a long way to go and that will be proven again in a couple of weeks.
     
  7. GUANACO1

    GUANACO1 Member

    May 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
     
  8. cheguevara04

    cheguevara04 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    If the Salvadorians blow out Mexico, I will have a grin that will stretch from one coast of Florida to the other.

    Once again bud, I have NOTHING against El Salvador. We literally have the blood. I just think structurally at the youth and professional level, Honduras has a much better infrastructure and man for man, El Salvador just does not match up well against la H. El Salvador has not played Honduras competitively for a while now. I have no reason to think the next chapter of our rivalry will be any different. A good result against Mexico could change things however. Playing passionately against the Nats though in front of an AMAZING crowd in San Salvador will be very different then playing Honduras in San Pedro Sula.

    Best of luck against the Mexies. I hope El Salvador can pull it off!
     
  9. L.A.Firpo84

    L.A.Firpo84 Member

    Mar 7, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador
    Alvarengas huh?? My cousin is an Alvarenga/Escobar, google Fredis Osmin Escobar Alvarenga he could be related to you :D, most of my family is from Santa Rosa De Lima close to the border with Honduras. Ill be heading out to ES for the Mex game and then Ill be crossing the border for the Honduras game...

    If you guys hear about another war starting it will be because of me, Ill be rolling down there with toda la mara de la UNION...:)

    LA GUERRA DE FUTBOL!!!!
     
  10. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    lmao i might possibly be related lmao!!!
     
  11. R9Kevinr9

    R9Kevinr9 Member+

    Feb 2, 2007
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador
    Tenes suerte hijo de la gran pooota!!!! :( I was going to go, but then my Grandma came from El Salvador and i couldn't go knowing she was here. I'll probably go soon but not for that game. Maybe the Game vs CR at home or Honduras at home.
     

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