World Cup 2018

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    Imho the ones by France Football are a lot better.

    For some extreme and contentious grades they also give explanation and reasoning. I.e. why is it that Isco gets an 8, why a 3 for Messi etc.
     
  2. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Juventus Football Clube Ajax Mineiro de Deportes
    Jun 11, 2012
    Whoscored rates players beyond the decimals. They did a great job last WC. Just checking, it seems that they gave CR7 credits for his dive though.
     
  3. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    If you could post those/link to them that would be great. Although 3 for Messi is insane.
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
  5. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Are you being serious?
     
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  6. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    He was awful in the first half, but his cross for the scond goal was sublime.
     
  7. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    That doesn't make him a terrible or average player , though
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    KDB has those games and phases within games where he looks a decidedly average footballer and he can be very sloppy.

    Eden Hazard is what they say a 'natural' talent. Within one minute of seeing him it's obvious he can play football.
     
  9. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    De Bruyne has been more consistently brilliant than Hazard last season ... only a goal spree saw Mo Salah take the best player award

    I'll never forget Hazard going MISSING for nearly the whole season a year or so back
     
  10. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    I will continue with the Times ones but France Football on Poland - Senegal

    Les notes de la Pologne
    Szczesny 4
    Piszczek 5
    Cionek 3
    Pazdan 4
    Rybus 4
    Blasczykowski 4 (remplacé par Bedinak à la 46e, 3)
    Krychowiak 3
    Zielinski 3
    Grosicki 5
    Milik 4
    Lewandowski 4
    Les notes du Sénégal
    K. N'Diaye 6
    Wagué 5
    Sané 7
    Koulibaly 5
    Sabaly 6
    Sarr 7
    Gueye 6
    A.Ndiaye 5
    Mané 5
    Diouf 5
    Niang 7
     
  11. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    Colombia - Japan

    Ospina 4
    Arias 3
    D. Sanchez 2
    C Sanchez 0
    Murillo 4
    Mojica 5
    Lerma 4
    Cuadrado, remplacé par Barrios à la 31e 6
    Quintero 6
    Izquierdo 4
    Falcao 5

    Kawashima 4
    Sakai 5
    Yoshida 6
    Shoji 5
    Nagatomo 5
    Hasebe 4
    Haraguchi 5
    Shibasaki 7
    Kagawa 6
    Inui 5
    Osako 6
     
  12. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    FF on England - Tunisia

    Hassen, remplacé par Ben Mustapha à la 15e 6
    Bronn 5
    S. Ben Youssef 5
    Meriah 4
    Maaloul 4
    Skhiri 5
    Sassi 6
    Badri 4
    F. Ben Youssef 5
    Khazri 4
    Slit 6

    Pickford 5
    Walker 5
    Stones 6
    Maguire 7
    Trippier 6
    Lingard 6
    Henderson 6
    Alli 7
    Young 6
    Sterling 4
    Kane 7
     
  13. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    FF on Belgium - Panama

    Courtois 7
    Alderweireld 5
    Boyata 5
    Vertonghen 5
    Meunier 6
    Witsel 5
    De Bruyne 5
    Carrasco 4
    Mertens 6
    E. Hazard 7
    Lukaku 6

    Penedo 5
    Murillo 6
    R. Torres 6
    Escobar 5
    Davis 5
    Gomez 5
    J.L Rodriguez 5
    Cooper 5
    Godoy 4
    Barcenas 6
    Perez 5
     
  14. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    FF on Sweden - South Korea

    Les notes de la Suède
    Olsen 5
    Lustig 6
    Jansson 5
    Grandqvist 7
    Augustinsson 5
    Claesson 7
    Larsson 5
    Ekdal 6
    Forsberg 4
    Toivonen 6
    Berg 4
    Les notes de la Corée du Sud
    Cho 7
    Lee Y. 4
    Kim Y. 6
    Jang 5
    Park (non noté), remplacé par Kim M. (28e) 3
    Kim S. 4
    Koo 5
    Ki 5
    Lee J. 6
    Son 6
    Hwang 6
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Commentator here: "Sampaoli makes more kilometers than his players" :D
     
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  16. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Just put Dybala on !?!

    Seems simple enough tbh
     
  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    7 minutes extra time. Typical but ridiculous.
     
  18. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
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    This is interesting. Some of the teams in the later groups might prefer to go for a 2nd place (not that this is commonly done, in the majority of cases they don't want to do the counter intuitive thing).
     
  19. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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  20. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    I missed to see the 2nd half, but 9 minutes added time, is that a record? Probably.
     
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  21. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
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    Sweden won against France in their qualification group (lost 2-1 the away game), eliminated Netherlands (did not win either game though), eliminated Italy (won at home, draw away) and now also indirectly sent Germany home.

    They also won 3-0 against Mexico that is a top 15 team in both the FIFA ranking and Elo ranking.

    Well done. Nice country (not necessarily nice football).
     
  22. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    There were two lengthy VAR stoppages in there.

    6 subs plus 2 second half goals means a minimum of 4 minutes. Add VAR in and it starts to make more sense at least.
     
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  23. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    #48 PuckVanHeel, Jun 28, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2018
    Yes that is right. The first VAR took 1:45 and Neuer his inverted goalkeeper move took 1 minute. In that light the 7 minutes of the Sweden match (the 2nd longest added time this tournament) was more extreme, or just as extreme.


    Repeated instances of 10+ minutes added time will not look pretty and elegant. The next logical step is the introduction of actual playing time. There are already plans for that.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sport...te-on-radical-60-minute-game-clock/102990272/

    In that article I also see FIFA introduced some leeway for adding more minutes when deemed appropriate. The Confederations Cup is the dress rehearsal for the World Cup in these matters.

    "FIFA showed its determination to increasing playing time and fairness by reminding Confederations Cup referees to enforce existing rules on timewasting. Referees in Russia also must monitor stoppages — including goal celebrations — more strictly by adding more additional time.
    Marco van Basten, the former Netherlands and AC Milan great now leading FIFA's technical department, said on Thursday that referees typically add only one minute to the first half and three minutes to the second half.
    Still, those were exactly the amounts of stoppage time added to the Russia-New Zealand game by referee Wilmar Roldan of Colombia."

    That it will eventually move into that direction was predicted by him 15 years ago:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/marco-van-basten-wants-new-rules.18597/
    http://www.hardgras.nl/uit-het-blad/marco-van-basten-schrijft-nieuwe-spelregels/


    Logically actual playing time is the next step and the KNVB is one of the organizations that already wants to experiment with it (like they did in 2012-2013 with the VAR).
    https://www.ad.nl/sport/victorie-van-de-videoref-begon-in-de-zeister-bossen~a1b5498a/
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The factor of the base camp (and the process going on for who gets first pick) is often underestimated, with Brazil getting the most desired place this time round:
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-2018/6549785/germany-world-cup-low/

    From ESPN:
    As ever in defeat, other issues will become the subject of the inquest, from the FA's handling of the Recep Tayyip Erdogan affair to the choice of Vatutinki as a base camp. It is no secret that Low wanted to be in Sochi instead, but some of the underlying financial considerations of the contentious choice have yet to see the light of day.
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord

    Only saw it later but 'funny' circumstance is here that the video referee to kick them out and oversee both goals was Dutch (Danny Makkelie).

    This is not just a wry coincidence:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_assistant_referee#History
    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...going-dutch-with-var/articleshow/64716820.cms
    https://www.newsweek.co.uk/total-refereeing-how-var-was-born-raised-dutch-football-535236
    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/var-football-world-cup

    The referee on the field was an American, who were also one of the first to jump on the train (strangely, not the English FA, since the 2010 Lampard incident has been a significant symbol in this).


    But of course, also here a push to erase the role in the development of the sport from the narrative. In the words of the FA director (also happens to be an alderman for the social-liberals or progressive liberals):

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    Of course, at the KNVB they would have preferred to have seen that their own arbiter had whistled in San Siro last night. And that he maybe made a good, crucial decision after fast switching with a Dutch video assistant, as Bjorn Kuipers did earlier this season with Italy - France, the first ever international match to use video refereeing. But Gijs de Jong also knows how it works politically.
    Now that more and more signals are turning green at the top of the international football board, those "stubborn pioneers" [sic] from the Netherlands do not have to collect all credits on their own. And so FIFA gave it to two Portuguese leaders last night. But in the control room of San Siro, Danny Makkelie did watch over their shoulders as video supervisor.
    [...]
    "Football is more attractive with video arbitrage. The chance that players are guilty of feigning and violations is smaller because they know that everything can be repeated. It makes the game faster, better and fairer.

    The Netherlands has certainly done well in that the KNVB has taken the initiative in forming the international lobby. You notice that other mainstream countries sometimes find it enough, how this has rolled along.

    In the beginning, FIFA and IFAB communicated that the KNVB had played a pioneering role, but that is gradually being written out. If you want to do good tests with video arbitration, you should actually work with our referees, because they are practiced with the material and will do it right. That does not happen so far. Apparently it is politically too sensitive within UEFA and FIFA.

    There are still people abroad who think that the Netherlands has pushed through the video arbitrage. We are a small country and will never be the biggest and the strongest. But even though the big chiefs in the world of football did not appreciate video arbitrage, we with our association bounced against it nicely. That gives my work substance."

    https://www.ad.nl/sport/victorie-van-de-videoref-begon-in-de-zeister-bossen~a1b5498a/
    https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-o...videoarbitrage-toch-wel-ziet-zitten~bb6ba220/
     

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