World Cup 2018 Qualification

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. onzie77

    onzie77 Member

    May 18, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    What's up guys i haven't been able to see as many games as i would like but we should definetely appoint wim jonk as the technical director for all the youth clubs. and definetely try and have our straat voetbal translate well into the field.

    Second for the qualification it's pretty soon our first qualifier is like in september against sweden a must win.

    assuming guys are healthy i would like to see a return to the 4-2-3-1 and sneijder disappear. the rise of kishna and promes. what formation and team you guys think blind will play?
     
  2. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    As Cruyff kind of explained 4-2-3-1 isn't necessarily an optimal formation and kind of limits creativity. The 4-3-3 and 3-4-3 are, in theory, the perfect formations to use.

    If Strootman's recovery is on track and he doesn't have a set-back this time our team could actually look quite good for qualification.

    I would go with something like this:

    Janmaat - Veltman - van Dijk - Willems
    Blind
    Clasie - Strootman
    Robben - Memphis - Promes
    It is kind of perfect in the sense that it allows us to be a 3-4-3 in attack and 4-3-3/5-4-1 in defence depending on how much work Robben/Promes are willing to put in. We could also easily put Wijnaldum on the left wing (where he's been very effective for Newcastle) because he has a lot of industry. Blind would be a good outlet for deep passes, but is more for link up between the CBs and midfield and then he drops back between them or aids them in a deep triangle while Janmaat and Willems maraud forward (and his experience as a CB helps):

    Veltman - Blind - van Dijk
    Janmaat - Clasie - Strootman - Willems
    Robben - Memphis - Wijnaldum
    Meanwhile on defence we have the numbers and smart enough players for the right positions to move back and defend while still offering a good transition from defence to attack with our outside players coming back to collect the ball and run/pass:

    Janmaat - Veltman - Blind - van Dijk - Willems
    Robben - Clasie - Strootman - Wijnaldum
    Memphis
    For me this is the ideal, and with the players available (assuming we can keep some semblance of health) it's a team that could make big waves at the next WC. Robben might need to be replaced though with his age/injury history by maybe Promes or perhaps someone will emerge between now and then to really take over that spot.
     
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  3. Bran

    Bran Member

    Nov 18, 2010
    Nijmegen
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    and a decision with disastrous consequences, it shows that the problems are far deeper than just Van Oostveen. the KNVB is so nonchalant , they really don't care anymore what happens.
     
  4. CDPontaDelgada

    CDPontaDelgada Member+

    CD Santa Clara
    Aug 15, 2012
    Ponta Delgada PT
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Snijder still should be called up IMHO very good player and only 31 still has plenty of gas in the tank

    Also depending on the style the manager selects I think players like Luuk de Jong can be a decent choice has been having s a decent season


    I honestly think that you guys have some decent choices up top if you don't mind attacking midfielders playing a little more advanced

    Robben
    El Ghazi
    Robben
    Wijnaldum

    Then you still have Luuk de Jong, Huntelaar, and Kramer
     
  5. CDPontaDelgada

    CDPontaDelgada Member+

    CD Santa Clara
    Aug 15, 2012
    Ponta Delgada PT
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Not saying they are world beaters but certainly a viable option uptop
     
  6. CDPontaDelgada

    CDPontaDelgada Member+

    CD Santa Clara
    Aug 15, 2012
    Ponta Delgada PT
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Tete------Veltman--Martins Indi-----Willems

    --------------Strootman---------Clasie-------------

    -----Wijnaldum-------Sneijder--------Robben---

    -------------------------de Jong------------------------

    Still leaves the likes of games changers on the bench

    Promes
    Memphis
    Kramer
    Narsing
     
  7. nurvin

    nurvin Member

    Feb 11, 2011
    #157 nurvin, Dec 9, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2015
    Can i criticize previous formations without being attacked by other users?
    @Frysk Bloed : your best formation is the first but i don't think Memphis should play CF. Hunter, Persie, Dost are better options. Also Veltman isn't enough good for the nt, he makes mistakes too often.
    @CDPontaDelgada : The defence isn't good. Indi, Veltman, Tete aren't really Dutch nt material. Robben should play always as right winger as he does not on the left and Luuk de jong despite is scoring actually i don't think has enough quality to be our striker.
     
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  8. LordofTheFlies

    Dec 9, 2015
    First time poster to this site. Hi all. Was wondering what players the posters on this site would have on their 23 man squad as of today?
     
  9. Oranje Leeuwen

    Aug 15, 2013
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    in my opinion this would be my selection assuming everyone is fit. I'm not even a fan of this selection tbf but we don't really have any better options at the moment
    1. Cillessen
    2. Karsdorp
    3. de Vrij
    4. van Beek
    5. Willems
    6. Clasie
    7. Depay
    8. Wijnaldum
    9. Promes
    10. Sneijder
    11. Robben
    12. Tete
    13. Bruma
    14. van Dijk
    15. Blind
    16. Klaassen
    17. Kishna
    18. Bazoer
    19. Dost
    20. Propper
    21. el Ghazi
    22. Krul
    23. Vermeer
     
  10. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    You wouldn't have Strootman in there? He's training again. Wijnaldum really seems to be finding form in the EPL as a left winger/midfielder. Could be a good complement to Robben if he keeps it up and is used there for the NT (not sure if they actually watch player performance or not). I also think that Veltman is still better and more consistent than van Beek.

    Janmaat - van Dijk - de Vrij - Willems
    Clasie
    Sneijder - Strootman
    Robben - ??? - Wijnaldum​

    The striker is the big question. Do we keep throwing up options like Persie, Huntelaar and Dost even though, IMO, they don't work and aren't dynamic enough for today's game? I would prefer to see Promes, Memphis or El Ghazi tried there for a decent stretch.
     
  11. Oranje Leeuwen

    Aug 15, 2013
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yeah that's true, assuming he is fit I'd replace Klaassen with Strootman. I also agree with dropping van Persie and Huntelaar, they aren't players we can build on and they don't offer enough anymore to warrant a spot in the squad where I think Sneijder and Robben are both players that can still play an important role. As for Veltman, I need to start seeing good performances in Europe and less mistakes in my opinion.
    My starting XI as of right now:

    Cillessen
    Karsdorp van Dijk van Beek Willems
    Robben Clasie Strootman Wijnaldum
    Sneijder
    Promes

    Couple of notes: I'm not sold on the defense, I'd be open to changes there. As for the 4411, definitely not my favorite formation but it could get the best out of our current players, and would have a stronger midfield which wouldn't be overrun as easily as it has been lately.
     
  12. nurvin

    nurvin Member

    Feb 11, 2011
    My 23 men squad assuming everybody fit:

    1. Cillessen
    2. Karsdorp
    3. de Vrij
    4. van Beek
    5. Büttner
    6. Clasie
    7. Depay
    8. Strootman
    9. Huntelaar
    10. Sneijder
    11. Robben
    12. Janmaat
    13. van Dijk
    14. Vlaar
    15. Willems
    16. Blind
    17. Promes
    18. Pröpper
    19. Dost
    20. Wijnaldum
    21. van Persie
    22. Krul
    23. Vermeer

    You can guess the starting XI from the numbers. Karsdorp can already start over Janmaat. I hope Büttner goes to England or Germany in January, also van Persie to Chelsea would be a good move for him.
     
  13. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Harry Been isn't a Belgian.

    http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland...-dubieus-wk-bid-nederland-en-belgie~a4207170/

    Wasn't the Holland/Belgium bid the only clean one (according to Garcia)? ... now that we're getting lawyered up and trying to get millions back in taxpayer money ... this 10K pops up ... well, nobody was trying to hide it and such a huge sum must have dwarfed Russia's efforts ... we'll find out soon enough and if anybody is dirty: head, meet platter.


    PS here's proof of Gullit trying to hand over a bribe ... I have to say, the bike is awesome.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    No, but Courtois is and it's said (in the Belgian press) he was the one initiating this. After which others wanted to expel him from the organization, for this 'lone wolf' move, which happened at 9 October 2009.

    The rest of your post is 100% correct and I agree with that. Probably Australia had also a clean bid by the way.
     
  15. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    IIRC FIFA immediately hit back at Australia with a redacted version of the Garcia report when they started looking into getting their money back.

    "Been was een van de bestuurders die bij een vergadering in november 2009 instemden met de betaling van 10 duizend euro aan Amadou Diallo."

    Courtois had left a month before and if that 10K (in expenses, it's claimed) was fishy, Harry Been should have stopped it and should have come forward ... but yea nobody likes a grass. My best guess ... that 10K was taken out of the hospitality budget and should have been spent on blowjobs and other fun stuff ... if it wasn't, what a waste.

    PS were these the same Volkskrant journos from that Blatter interview?
     
  16. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
  17. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    I hate to say it people, but unless some super generation comes around in 2016/2017 we will not qualify for 2018.

    Thats the hard truth
     
  18. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member

    Jan 26, 2007
    Nope. That is one's opinion/judgment.

    The qualification for WC 2018 has not started, and all group participants are level on points (zero). That is, ladies and gentlemen, the truth.
     
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  19. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    #170 Brilliant Dutch, Dec 22, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2015
    ^^^^ yeah, good luck with that :ROFLMAO:
     
  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It is a pity that Wijnaldum didn't go to a better club.
     
  21. CDPontaDelgada

    CDPontaDelgada Member+

    CD Santa Clara
    Aug 15, 2012
    Ponta Delgada PT
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Most clubs wouldnt have paid more tha. Newcastle
     
  22. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    If he is good enough, he will move up, just like so many Belgian players.
     
  23. I didnot know he's Belgian;)
     
  24. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I will rephrase the sentence so the joke works:

    If he is good enough, he will move up, just like so many other Belgian players. ;)
     

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