World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TequilaJoal, Jul 29, 2002.

  1. TequilaJoal

    TequilaJoal Red Card

    Mar 3, 2002
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How else do you explain no major Korean or United States signings to top flight teams in Europe or to Any European teams.


    All you hear is interest from English Premiership teams of USA national team players, then they go ahead and sign the same old Euro' riff raff.

    Big Slap in the face is the fact that United States is loaded with young impressive talent and No English Prem Team has signed any of them. And our MLS league which helped produce these Talents might end up signing "gazza" an old out of luck, shape England national.

    So this Tournament that was in Korea & Japan that saw both the United States and Korea finish better than England... provides obviously no real talent able enough to play in their domestic league. But Rio Ferdinad who is on level with Eddie Pope talent wise is worth 30 millions pounds.


    So let all the Euro's complain that the World Cup was started to close to the end of their domestic season and that caused them to preform poorly... Why dont they just it never happend cause they still see the USA and other non- european countries the same way they saw them on May 30th 2002.
     
  2. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How can you say the US finished better than England? They both were eliminated in the quarterfinals.

    If you take "tie-breakers" into account, England finished better than the USA. They did not win their group either but lost out based on goals scored as England and Sweden tied with points, and goal differential. Ended with 2 wins, 2 draws and their only loss was to the eventual world cup winner. The USA did not win their group, ended with 2 wins, 2 losses and 1 draw.
     
  3. Dixie

    Dixie New Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    Tallahassee, Florida
    who cares if the English or Americans finished better based on Fifa tie-breakers. The point is nobody thought the Americans would do anything and the English dissapointed once again.

    Also let them keep their leagues European the MLS will get stronger, American Soccer will get stronger, and fan interest in the US will get stronger.
     
  4. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    The current financial crisis in Europe has a lot to do with it, plus the fact (in England anyway) that players have to apply for and receive a work permit.

    Transfer values are way down this year compared to previous years. There have only been a few high-valued signings.

    Had the WC taken place last year, you probably would have seen a few more Americans on the move, simply because the transfer fees would likely have been larger. As it is, there are a few reports of offers from Euro clubs that have been turned down because they were too low.
     
  5. YanksFC

    YanksFC Member

    Feb 3, 2000
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    It's not a slap in the face -- it's an economic reality. Many European clubs and leagues, even the big ones, are heavily in debt and cannot afford to buy new talent, no matter how little that talent costs. Add to this the fact that MLS is determined to keep its young talent in the States in order to promote the league. Therefore, MLS's asking price for many players like Beasley and Mathis is more than most clubs abroad are willing to pay.
     
  6. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Is Leverkeusen top flight enough for you? Cha of Korea has been signed by them. IIRC, there have been other Korean signings too. You may want to check the Asian board for more info on this topic.
     
  7. NNCRed

    NNCRed Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Land-o-Spuds
    Eddie Pope is a good central defender, but he's not worth anything more than a couple of million pounds, tops. Why would a club like Man United want to sign an aging central defender that is often hurt and seems to always miss spells of the season? Fergie would be stupid to make an aging central back that is always injured the cornerstone of his backline that needs repairs badly for the upcoming season that includes 2 games a week throughout most of the season for United. Oh, and Pope has yet to play a game, let alone a season in England. Who's to say that he will adapt well to that style of play, the weather, being away from home, etc.? Too big of a risk for a club like United to even think about buying Pope over Ferdinand, even if they could save 25 million pounds.

    But I do think that it kinda sucks that more US players aren't on the move, or at least the current Yanks Abroad aren't finding a better situation, like Lewis, Berhalter, Hejduk, JMM, etc. I would rather see the MLS players stay in MLS IF they can't go to a club where they'll see consistent first team action.
     
  8. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Did you watch the same world cup? Rio Ferdinand was probably the second best defender out there behind Lucio of Brazil. Plus how old is he? 21? He can stop offensive forays by himself. Pope is an injury prone, aging defender. Yes he played well, but how long will he keep that up? The fact of the matter is that we played a better team game than everybody else. Take a look at individual players.
    Mathis, Wolff, McBride vs. Djouf and Rivaldo? Or even Henrik Larrson? midfielders. This is our strength. Landon, Claudio, and JOB can hang with anybody in the worls. Landon a young superstar in waiting, Claudio a class midfielder in his prime. And JOB is trying to become one of the best 2-way players in the world. But let's start the comparisons again. For Landon the young talent. Landon vs. Saviola, Ronaldinho, Cisse, and Owen Hargraves. Claudio. He plays in a bunch of spots and would probably draw alot of attention if he were availible. Now JOB I can guarentee you would draw around 15 - 20 mil in the transfer market. He has the potential to be Roy Keane with more offensive skills. Defenders? Hejduke vs. Ashley Cole?
     
  9. nowhere

    nowhere New Member

    Jul 2, 2002
    Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    Laurent Blanc, anyone?

    Signature - I'm a cheap bastard
     
  10. Chachi King

    Chachi King New Member

    Mar 14, 2002
    Actually, the big reason why many Korean players haven't made the jump was because their clubs are not letting them go. The K-League has been drawing record crowds lately, and their clubs are simply not letting foreign clubs sign them. Plus, a lot of these foreign clubs are trying to screw over the K-League clubs in terms of transfer fees. For instance, Southampton wanted C.G. Song for 600,000 dollars, which is crap when you consider Song played every single minute of the world cup and performed better than almost every player out there. He stole the ball 5 times in the first half from Luis Figo for pete's sake.

    Sadly, it looks like as the K-League becomes more popular you're going to see less Korean players moving abroad. Lee Chun-soo and Song Jong-guk were already denied the chance to move to Southhampton by their clubs. Ahn Jung-hwan stuck in Perugia for the time being. Kim Nam-il is pining for a move to the Bundesliga although his club isn't about to let Korea's most popular player get off that easily.

    Three Koreans are moving to Europe however: Lee Eul-yong is going to Turkey, Cha Du-ri is going to Bayer Leverkusen, and Yoo Sang-chul is going to either England or the Netherlands despite his advanced age (31).

    It seems that Hong Myung-bo is thinking of moving to the MLS, which would be pretty cool. Also there are rumors in Korea that Brian McBride is mulling a move to the K-League.
     
  11. TequilaJoal

    TequilaJoal Red Card

    Mar 3, 2002
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    interesting replies !!!!

    1. we can argue the 4th thru 8th finish in the world cup. where does the USA finish compared to England... let's be real United States played hard and went out like true competitors in their quarter-final match. England went out like pure punks. 11-10 advantage and played worse with it.

    Argue the numbers, tie-breaks, placed finish in the first round... England again over-hyped disappointment.


    2. Now for aging Eddie Pope.. he is 28. in his prime. but yet only the second best defender on the Team.. Sanneh is the best American Defender. Match either one with Ferdinad. then look at the price comparrison. ( Pope $365,000 / year - Sanneh $1.1 million / year - Ferdinad $6.0 million / year )

    3. MLS is greedy, Yes.. you want to take our stars, our future, than pay us for it.. these players are worth it 10 fold. if MLS wants 1.7 million for Beasley ( the fastest / quickest player in MLS ) and Middlesboro only wants to offer 1.3... " Boro " make the sacrifice, he is 20 years old and would right away be one of the 5 fastest players in the Premiership.

    4.England and most of europe could absolutely steal players from MLS.. were talking ( Beasley, McBride, Mathis, Wolff. for less than 2.5 million or less for any of them. 3 of the 4 would give more effort to preform on the big stage than any other player on teams they would join.


    Will americans ever get the acceptance in Europe ?


    But we'll let Gazza be our messenger... when he quits MLS after the end of season, He'll say : " they ( americans ) are great athletes and have decent skills, but cannot compete in top flight of England. "

    and he can go in the book of other marquee' Haters :

    Roberto Donadoni
    Lothar Matteus
    Gazza ???
     
  12. NNCRed

    NNCRed Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Land-o-Spuds
    Re: Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    Larry White had CL experience (not to mention a World Cup winner's medal, playing in France, Italy and Spain's top levels, and was/is Barthez's butt-buddy). Pope has none of this going for him. Plus, Larry White was a last second fill in for Jaap, while Rio is viewed as the long term replacement.
     
  13. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Re: interesting replies !!!!

    What has Donadoni done to deserve your venom?
     
  14. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    Because they already signed Blanc last season ;)
     
  15. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Re: Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    :D
     
  16. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Re: Re: Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    Fergie had been trying to land Blanc for over a year. He wasn't a fill in for Jaap.

    Jaap was sold because he said some stuff in his book that you shouldn't say if you want to remain employed by the people currently employing you (even though Fergie will deny this until his dying day).

    At least United was smart enough to sell Stam before he got busted for drugs
     
  17. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    It seems very unlikely that a K-League team would be willing to pay MLS more than McBride is worth in front of his domestic fan base. There's not much of a track record of paying up for foreign talent by the K-League, is there?
     
  18. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    Alas, the crying need for paychecks and praise from Europe. You'd think our lads were opera singers!
     
  19. kb

    kb New Member

    Nov 23, 1998
    Boston, MA
    Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    How is Claudio in his prime and Pope aging when they are both the same age?
     
  20. NNCRed

    NNCRed Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Land-o-Spuds
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    I know that Fergie had been trying to get Blanc for a while, but to say that he didn't become Jaap's fill in would be wrong. Jaap got sold, United needed a central defender to at least add depth to the squad, in comes Blanc a week or two after Jaap's sold and fills in Jaap's old spot. It doesn't matter if Fergie had been eyeing Blanc for a year, he still came in and filled in for Jaap. If a reserve team player like Ronnie Wallwork had been given the call to replace Jaap at the center of the defence, than he would have been Jaap's fill in until a proper replacement was found.
     
  21. glove

    glove New Member

    Mar 20, 2001
    gaithersburg,md
    Simply put US players are not known for individual flair or incredible skills, very sound fundamentally and hustle to no end, besides permit problems Euros wont sign unless their is a perceived hype about a player. who on the US squad besides Landon created a sheetload of hype that is not already in Europe and younger than 27? Your answer is DMB but he was injured halfway through the Cup, which is probably the only fear of inking him to big contract fear of frequent injuries/lack of size.
     
  22. Chachi King

    Chachi King New Member

    Mar 14, 2002
    A McBride signing would be a little change of pace for K-League clubs. Actually, the K-League recently signed Gabriel Popescu of Romania and were talking to one of the former Brazilian international players who is currently playing in the J-League (I dunno the name) prior to the season. K-League clubs usually sign young international players instead of old stars like the J-League or the MLS. One guy, Denis Laktionov, was on the Russian national squad running up to the world cup, although he was eventually cut for "lack of experience," even though he was one of Russia's best performers in the chances he got.
     
  23. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Re: Re: Re: World Cup 2002 ( never happend )

    While Reyna has had some nagging injury, they are injuries to muscles. Pope, unfortunatly, has had his injuries to his ankles. Those are the kind that age you much more quickly. Ask any 30 year old who had ankle or kneww surgery and played such a phyisical sport as soccer or football. It hurts to move around.
     

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