WM Spiel 1 - Deutschland gg Portugal - 16 Juni 2014

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Fussballer, Jun 11, 2014.

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  1. poorvi

    poorvi Member+

    Feb 5, 2006
    Bombay
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    As convincing as the win was, I wasn't too impressed with Germany especially when it came to finishing. Against better defences, chances that Mueller and Ozil missed would be life and death difference.

    Apart from Mueller, the only other player I was truly impressed by was Boateng.

    What is the word on Hummel's injury?

    How I wished Loew put in Klose and he got his 15th WC and 70th German goal!!!
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Be interesting to see how things go against teams who work hard in defensive midfield.
     
  3. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kudos to Löw. He was right in all decisions and transformed the team well in a few weeks.
     
  4. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So what are the chances that Löw stays with this lineup and with the umlaut players upfront? Is going to rest some players, field Schürrle or Klose for tactical reasons in the next two games?
     
  5. saj7866

    saj7866 Member

    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I'm not overly surprised with the performance because of a key factor, the 4-3-3 system keeps Germany much more compact, and hats off to the players because it seemed damn hot out there
     
  6. schwas

    schwas Member

    Jul 3, 2009
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    I hope not, I would leave the team as it is to gel and get better there is always room for better chemistry. I would however bring on subs like he did today ~ 60th min for the one with the least output on the day out of the top 3. I know the hot and humid conditions will probably force more rotations but I hope its through subs and not through different starters.
     
  7. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Bolzplatz
    Löw is a good coach when he has months to prepare for a game. The three opponents in the grouph phase have been known since December, so Löw and his staff had enough time for meticulous planning.

    It will get more difficult for him to make the right decisions once the knock-out stage is there.
     
  8. "Eisenfuß" Eilts

    Jul 1, 2005
    In the sun ;)
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    He knows the 31 participating teams beside Germany since that time, too. ;)
     
  9. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And he didn't know the injuries that happend in the training camps.
     
  10. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    from what i saw from ghana, they are very tough and aggressive team. Their defense isnt good though, but consider how injury prone our players are, we needa watch out with their tackles.

    Goetze and Oezil have both missed some easy chances. Composure in front of goal and finishing an issue. I think Schuerrle at RW instead of Oezil can help the team in that particular area.

    Oezil wasn't particularly useful at RW, n in the middle he isn't lethal enough
     
  11. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I hope so too. For playing this fluid and flexible system you kinda need to know each other more than just from training.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So the team wins 4-0 and you post exactly the same stuff you posted before the game

    How many goals do you expect a team to get vs Portugal :ROFLMAO:

    Your comment about Ozil makes it clear you don't really watch what is happening on the field
     
  13. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I cannot say I agree about Özil and Götze cause I think they played well. If I was Löw Id field them nevertheless to give the opportunity to use their chances the next time. Could give them a confidence boost. And the Ghanians almost need to win so the space needed could be there.

    Then later bring on Großkreutz for some fighting back.

    Since it worked out well, @Fussballer would you start the next game thread?
     
  14. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Some easy chances were missed. Glad we were few goals ahead but imagine if we're facing Brazil, France, Italy, Holland, Argentina or even Spain.....those misses can be costly

    Oezil missed an absolutely easy one-on-one where he could easy dribble sideway before he impulsively made that bad shot; Goetze also had a good chance but his shot got deflected; Khedira missed an open goal shot which should easily be a goal

    I am not expecting 8-0 but those were easy chances and should be scored by professionals at this level
     
  15. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Agree
    People here have short memeories. Just a 4-0 victories and completely forgot some of the easy chances missed.

    Cant afford to miss those against better opponents
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    What nonsense!

    Elite strikers have conversion rates of less than 15%
     
  17. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Amazing, Germany beats Portugal by 4 goals and people still bitch about the offense. Seriously, the German offense isn't the problem. As long as our defense holds, I'm optimistic that we can score and win our games. No team has scored more during qualification and again we started with four goals into the tournament.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #543 The Jitty Slitter, Jun 17, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2014
    I swear that the problem is people are statistically illiterate

    By cherry picking the data that fits the theory (the misses) and ignoring the data that doesn't fit the theory (hattrick for Mueller and Goetze winning a peno) one can decide that the team doesn't score at the correct rate

    However the obvious problem is that in real life, goals are rare events which are distributed randomly over a larger number of missed opportunities.

    Goetze missing against Portugal says nothing about whether he will score his next opportunity - unless you have some pre-conceived idea that he should score far more often

    Even the players who score a large number of goals like Suarez achieve it largely via massive shot volume.

    Recent studies show that the key performance indicator is generating a large number of chances from good positions which germany are doing

    It is even arguable that the idea of shot quality might not actually exist.

    Gareth Bale at Spurs was a good example of this.

    They changed the team around so that he generated huge shot volume - and at the normal but not remarkable conversion rates this turned into a lot of goals.

    Players like Mueller and Goetze will score at decent rates provided enough chances are created for them. And that is of course why a player like Ozil is also needed.

    Shot volume + shot location is the killer app.
     
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  19. Cuppo

    Cuppo Member+

    May 27, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    #544 Cuppo, Jun 17, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2014
    Germany wasn't that impressive tbh. I Just saw tactical superiority against a very weak 10 man side with no speed level. Germany had efficiency but no soccer skills, no abbility except some individual action with players like Götze, Özil and Müller. The second half was just a rest for the players. So we can't tell what a tough match with at least 90 minutes would look like. Maybe a team like Brazil could play ping pong with the german team, since the players didn't even control the game after the red card. I hardly didn't see any pressing when Portugal had the ball either. They just wanted to avoid wastefuls runnings but I doubt that Brazil would think about recovery at any time. Tactical awareness won't help the german team in the KO stage, this is the time where you need to improvise and show your abbility. If it's 1 on 1, Germany always comes off second best.

    But maybe it's too early to talk about KO stage. Now I'm interested what will Germany do when Ghana and USA park the bus.
     
  20. albert_mk87

    albert_mk87 Member+

    Aug 27, 2008
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    let's not get carried away about Low and about how good the team was. Lets not forget that they were trashing strong teams in the group stages and in the 1/8,1/4 finals before , before crapping their pants when most needed Low(against Italy...) and the players both. That why i don't get my hopes high like before in the WC 2010 and euro 2012
     
  21. Vlad S.

    Vlad S. Member+

    May 6, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The match was won by excellent tactics realized via technical superiority. This win is more impressive than anything out of our 2010 WC run.

    Ghana and USA will not park the bus. Ghana need a win, US will park only if they beat Portugal.
     
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  22. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I m sorry but against better opponents and defense, chances are not as much as we had against Portugal.

    Too many wasted chances can be a potential problem. Thomas Mueller did well so it saved our arses but what will happen if Mueller is having a bad day? There isn't another scoring threat in the lineup so I suggest someone like Schuerrle should be used against certain opponents

    In some games, u may only have 3-4 good chances, Goetze/Oezil isn't reliable and I think both are sub-par finishers (that's very generous for Oezil btw) at this level. The conversion rate should be higher.

    As Mueller has said in the post-match interview, he said we should have scored a few more, but apparently some easy chances were missed by Oezil

    The problem with Oezil in a 4-3-3 is that he isn't good enough defensively as one of the 3 midfielders ; offensively he isn't what u want in the interchanging rotation because he can't play as a frontman as he can't finish and his shooting ability is skeptical
     
  23. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    When Müller has a bad day, we still have Podolski, Klose and Schürrle on the bench which is another World Class front line that most teams would love to have and that without taking Reus to the WC or even mentioning Draxler.

    Secondly, you missed the entire point made by Jitty. The point being that when you create enough chances for the likes of Götze or Özil, they will score. It's a matter of statistics.
     
  24. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wait what? You've clearly seen a different match. You are wrong at every point you made and using Brazil as a template how to impress at the wc stage or how you should play as a team is just phenomenal absurd - at least after their only match against Croatia.
     
  25. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    Better opponents? Portugal is ranked 4th or 5th in the World. What you are missing is that Germany scored 4 goals and decided to turn off the engine for the majority of the 2nd half to conserve energy, avoid injury and practices possession. If they did not, we could have seen 2-3 more goals.
     

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