Wizards to Philadelphia

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  1. Beech

    Beech Member

    Jul 26, 2001
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey man, how many times does it need to be explained to you (even within this thread), voters were not voting on any sort of stadium deal. They were voting for or against funding a youth complex.

    OnGoal was going to have to build their stadium with private funds no matter what. Next to a youth complex would've been favorable yes; but it doesn't kill anything.
     
  2. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You say it's a level playing field but yet you still ignore the quotes that I posted from the same article that you used. The difference between Philly and KC is the fact that On Goal WANT the team to stay in KC, they said so in the article that you used. The fact that they are still working and plan to still work to keep the Wizards in KC does not create a "level playing field" as you say in this situation. The Wizards have the ownership committed to KC which is a big tilt in KC's favor on this "playing field."

    And has been stated, the youth fields were the only thing on the ballot, NOT a Wizards stadium.
     
  3. santeroatomico

    santeroatomico New Member

    Feb 16, 2006
    East End Houston
    Ditto!
     
  4. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/15965477.htm

    The Kansas City Wizards are still set on Overland Park for a soccer stadium even though voters rejected a property tax increase for youth soccer fields nearby.

    The Wizards still want to surround the stadium with youth fields, said Robb Heineman, a principal in the team’s ownership group.

    “Obviously, we’re disappointed by the results around the youth fields, but it doesn’t really sway us,” Heineman said.
     
  5. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They just saw their stadium costs go from 57 million to 72 million (infrastructure and needed environmental junk - 15 mill). It sways them. The project cost just grew 26%.
     
  6. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bryan I am not sure OnGoal will go ahead with the same project. Probably go after a cheaper stadium now.

    But I find it interesting that the article I posted above makes reference to the Overland Park people feeling "rushed" by the Wizards and the Park District.

    For some reason, they were told that if the Wizards didn't get the Overland Park stadium they were going to leave the area (wonder where???).
    ;)
     
  7. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have you been calling Kansas? :eek:
     
  8. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not me (never been there, ever).

    However some guy named Garber did tell the Wizards "figure it out or you will be moved" and it was published to the world to read.
     
  9. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, get your tin foil hats conspiracy theorists.

    Lamar Hunt for all he's done for soccer and the fact that his biggest money maker, the NFL's Chiefs, is still in town didn't want to risk the public backlash of selling the Wizards out of town. He knows how unprofitable they are, especially in a behemoth of a stadium.

    Lamar convinced Don Garber to plant some stories about the necessity of moving the Wizards if a local owner wasn't found. Lamar meanwhile cut a deal with Don that when the Wizards were sold out of town, the team would retain it's colors and records. The vote will now be seen as the impetus that will temporarily drive the Wizards out of town, eventually to be replaced by the new Wizards when a Kansas or Missouri county opens their wallet. OnGoal, a faceless conglomerate of monied investors, will gain immediate income from the selling of the club and turning it over for at least 50% more than they paid just recently and eventually when a stadium is built locally, they will profit from having a team in a SSS.

    [/tin foil hats]
     
  10. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All good except OnGoal isn't a faceless conglomerate. They are rich guys who have caught the vision of MLS and what pro soccer can become in the US.

    They are also local KC people who want the team to stay in KC, not Philly, Rochester or Hong Kong.

    Kind of puts a kink in your tin foil hat.
     
  11. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But at the same time, people can't stop buying tickets to Cerner - they can stop buying Chiefs tickets. There is more than one person to direct their anger at. And when and if there is an announcement, bet on the least recognizable one talking during the press conference. Sort of like the guy in a red shirt in an original Star Trek. (you are all dorks for getting that dorky reference)
     
  12. PHILLYUNITEDFLY

    Jul 31, 2006
    Collegeville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So if they move here, do we get to be called the Philly Cheese WIZards? Or can we rename the team?
     
  13. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ask the Houston Earthquakes
     
  14. skyscraper

    skyscraper Member

    Dec 6, 2003
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No.
    Why, have I missed anything?
     
  15. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    JC, you are funny. That's good work.
     
  16. Howard Zinn

    Howard Zinn Member

    Aug 9, 2005
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm split about this whole issue. Part of me doesn't want to steal a franchise from other supporters, but another part of me wants an MLS franchise in Philadelphia ASAP. If this did happen, they would absolutely have to change that name.
     
  17. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like wit.
     
  18. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I have heard some encouraging news lately, I seriously doubt the Wizards or any MLS team is moving to Philly any time soon.

    So don't worry about the turmoil of depressed supporters in other cities. Its unjustified.
     
  19. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look here's the end of the story...

    Wish all you want, but with ownership or a stadium, you will finally get your team, if you get all your ducks in a row, in 2010.

    Not before 2010, but 2010. That's if you get an ownership group together and a stadium plan that will actually get built.

    Nobody is moving to Philadelphia. You will get an expansion franchise. If you get your act together.

    Not before.

    2010.
     
  20. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait...that's the end of the story? Well if you say so, I'll just go ahead and be sad now.

    I'm glad you've finally cleared all this up for us. :rolleyes:
     
  21. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Truly.

    Where did that come from hipityhop?
    Are you related to skyscraper by any chance?
     
  22. skyscraper

    skyscraper Member

    Dec 6, 2003
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hey, cheap shot.
    when I stir up trouble, I make it personal. he is keeping it above board!
     
  23. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    plus hop clearly read the posts preceding his :p
     
  24. skyscraper

    skyscraper Member

    Dec 6, 2003
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, clearly he has read the posts preceding his.
     
  25. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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