Will you vote? 2010 motivation gap?

Discussion in 'Elections' started by DJPoopypants, Dec 2, 2009.

  1. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    I've read a few polls/sites recently where there appears to be a major motivation gap in 2010 - moderate & liberal Obama voters see little reason to show up, while the Obama haters are ready to go.

    One progressive analysis showed that statistically to replace a moderate/Blue Dog democrat with a progressive democrat - it is near impossible to do by unseating a moderate in a primary - but far easier to defeat an ideological opponent if the moderate loses.

    Cue jokes about dems loving to lose.

    But anyway - who's out next year?

    I'm out - but in NYC there's really nothing to vote for.
     
  2. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll be sticking to straight Dem. Not so much for the job they're doing in Congress or the White House, but because the Reeps just become even nuttier by the minute. I thought I would cross over to vote in the primary for governor to kill Perry's chances, but the more I read about Hutchison the more I wish both of them would spontaneously combust.
     
  3. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    I've never voted Reep or Dem for a major office but I vote based on local issues. Things are screwed up in Vegas right now so I have to see what is on the ballot.

    Edit: I'll vote anyway. My local precinct has a bunch of old women volunteering and they always make homemade cookies. Walk across the street for a grandma cookie? Anytime.
     
  4. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    What are you talking about? In 2010, there is a Gubernatorial and Senatorial race. Not to mention the state legislature -- and considering their gross incompetence and arrogance over the past year, there could be a real anti-incumbent bloodbath. New York State is going to have it's most interesting elections in quite some time.

    (I know you specifically said "NYC", but why would you opt out of voting in next year's state elections?)
     
  5. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    With all due respect to you since I don't mean this personally, I no longer take this kind of sentiment seriously. I consider it nothing but a cop-out.
     
  6. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I'm registered independent and I've decided to return to my norm of skipping the primaries (it's open here so I could vote in it if I wanted). Maybe I'll vote on the initiatives on a "non-partisan" ballot in June, but that really depends what's on the ballot. As for November 2010 - I suspect I'll want to vote in the CA governors race (I have to vote for Governor Moonbeam!), and there might be some initiatives too. Beyond that? I don't vote GOP -- that party would need a lobotomy before I'd vote for them. But I'm not eager to vote for any of the Dems beyond Jerry Brown (and that's primarily just to amuse my whimsy). So if I bother to vote on anything beyond the governor and the initiatives, I'll probably just write in the name of various members of the Canine or Feline parties. That said, my district (from the state assembly to Congress) remains a GOP stronghold. The Dems had their best chance in 2008, but even then they lost. So it's not like my vote or not-voting is even going to make a bit of partisan difference.
     
  7. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the biggest qualification in your view is having a (D) after their name? That's scary reasoning.

    And by the way, your heroes will interpret your vote in exactly the way you don't want.

    What if you believe that almost all Democrats and Republicans are evil? Should you still vote for evil just because those parties are so big? Even though you know that part of the reason for their bigness is because they write the rules to guarantee that?


    I'll vote for sure. My polling place is extremely convenient for me, so I'll take the 2 minutes out of my day.
     
  8. dogface

    dogface Let's Just Pretend

    Jun 22, 2002
    St. Peter, MN
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Hells yeahs, I'm voting. And I voted in 2009 for small, city-wide races.
     
  9. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    I've been a non-voter since '94 and there is no way that will ever change.
     
  10. dogface

    dogface Let's Just Pretend

    Jun 22, 2002
    St. Peter, MN
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Keep it up, Mr. Pie in the Sky.
     
  11. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    I pretty much always vote. Civic duty, etc. etc. Also I only live about 300 yards from the polling place. All it takes is one non-douchebag on the ballot to get me in there to vote, but that threshold is not always met here in Manassas (borderline of the real and fake Virginias).
     
  12. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I'm going to vote in 2010. Twice even.
     
  13. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    I still vote but it's the local issues that drive me to the polls. That and the cookies. Major offices are left blank or third party.
     
  14. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why? I have often voted third-party in national elections. And many people live in states which are "safe" for one major party or the other. When I lived in South Carolina, I voted third-party simply because a vote for anyone other than Bush was "throwing your vote away."

    At the local level, there are often real differences which will NOT get "smoothed over" once the candidate faces the reality of governing over the whole country or dealing with a huge, entrenched federal bureaucracy. So, at the local level I'm much more likely to vote for one of the two major parties. At the state level, that's pretty much the same.

    EDIT: I currently live in Virginia, where we already got the opportunity to experience the "motivation gap" firsthand. Thank you, Creigh Deeds, for making Timothy Kaine look dynamic and inspired by comparison. But yes, I voted anyway--and every single person I voted for lost.
     
  15. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Party seems to mean less the more local you get, so I generally just vote for the challenger in that case, especially as it's rare to see a third-party candidate for a down-ballot race.
     
  16. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please. Don't act like you know ******** all about my state and the local politics involved. 99% of the R's in this state are very very hard R's. When I look at my ballot there will be mostly moderate dems vs very conservative Republicans. I'm a moderate Dem so it really makes it a no-brainer.

    Kenny Marchant is my house rep. Kenny ********ing Marchant. A guy that helped co-sponsor the whole "is Obama really a foreigner" bill. There might be some county seats that I could vote Republican in, but its doubtful. I'll enter with an open mind like I always do, but until the Republican party quits pushing out its moderates I don't see anyone who's worth voting for in that party.
     
  17. Alan S

    Alan S Member

    Jun 1, 2001
    Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've voted in every single primary, city and national election since 1985. (Well I might have skipped two or three). [Sometimes I'll refuse to vote in a certain race though.]

    Go ahead don't vote, it just make mine count more.
     
  18. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    lmao Can you cite some elections where your vote has decided the outcome?
     
  19. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LMAO your logic is that a vote is irrelevant unless it personally determines the outcome of an election?
     
  20. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
  21. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I know you'll miss out on the occasional laugh, but to me this is preferable:

    "This message is hidden because NickyViola is on your ignore list."

    Plenty of other laughs available on bigsoccer, IMO.
     
  22. NickyViola

    NickyViola Member+

    May 10, 2004
    Boston
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    You keep saying I'm on your ignore list but you still respond to my stuff.
     
  23. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    I'm not terribly enthused about my options for NY State.

    Gov? I'm not keen on Paterson who appears unable to function effectively. I wouldn't mind seeing him replaced by a more effective (and presumed equally progressive) dem in the primary. Failing that, I can't really see how the eventual moderate republican candidate can screw things up worse. (Unless it's Mr 9/11). The state is basically controlled by the state senate (which is a mess)

    State Senate - I have a progressive state senator in a safe district. He wasn't part of the idiocy that went down this year.

    US Senate - Schumer is a lock. Gillibrand may or may not get my vote. A bunch of other more progressive state leaders may jump into the primary, but unless she faces Mr 9/11, I'm not sure she's earned my vote.
     

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