Will the Fire kneel?

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by milicz, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    It'd be a proud moment for the team.
     
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  2. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The one problem is no one is talking about the reason for the protest, police using deadly force on blacks too easily. I respect their right to protest but wonder since it makes enemies it is the wisest way to protest.
     
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  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I hope so.
     
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  4. How many US citzens start for the Fire? Whereas almost every NFL player is a US citizen. Maybe avoid playing the anthem except for Nats games.
     
  5. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Unfortunately Garber has a hardon for the NFL.
     
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  6. pena pirata

    pena pirata Member+

    Sep 28, 2013
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    And 2 teams in NYC and LA, and no promotion relegation, and expansion of the Beckham rule, and.....
     
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  7. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    All good things, by the way.
    Having two teams in NYC (wouldn't that be great if there were two reams in NYC or one in Chicago) and LA is important.
    No promotion and relegation is great (we would have been watching and ACTUAL USL team the last two years, as opposed to a USL-level team).
    The "Beckham" rule gave us Bastian and Nikolic and Accam (not to mention Juninho and Kappelhoff and DeLeeuw...)
     
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  8. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Except that not standing for the National Anthem should in no way make "enemies" of the police.
    It is one of the most passive forms of protest around.
     
  9. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    There are 16 US citizens on the Fire.
    Lampson
    Polster
    Vincent
    Campbell
    McCarty
    Alvarez (yes, he plays for El Salvador, but was born in Houston, and Texas is still, technically part of the US, unfortunately)
    -could be considered the starters.
     
  10. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I have advocated for almost my entire life.
    I cannot stand the playing of the National Anthem before club games.
    It just seems very nationalistic/fascistic, unnecessary and a bit creepy to me.

    I think is especially the case in sports (soccer, hockey, baseball and, now, NBA) with huge percentages of foreign players.
     
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  11. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    THIS.
     
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  12. Sting111

    Sting111 Member+

    Jan 17, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    How so?
     
  13. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    You have to ask?
     
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  14. Sting111

    Sting111 Member+

    Jan 17, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That's a question, not an answer.
     
  15. Sting111

    Sting111 Member+

    Jan 17, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Enlighten me on the pride that you would feel.
     
  16. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I've indulged too many people that claim ignorance the last few days.
     
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  17. Sting111

    Sting111 Member+

    Jan 17, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Great non-answer. Too self important to explain what you mean?
     
  18. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I assume he means he'd be proud to see our club and our players having the courage to stand with others in opposition to the creeping fascist police state and in favor of our citizens constitutional right to peaceably assemble. Which should be obvious to anyone who's been paying attention.

    Why are you acting like this is some mystery?
     
  19. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    #19 HerthaBerwyn, Sep 26, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2017
    Ill answer that, Sting111. This very issue is the background of the classic film 'Billy Jack'. The issue here is noting more than blind conformity to the demands of a would be strong man vs. self expression and political liberty.

    The next time people demand contrived conformity (remember, the super-jingo NFL ceremonies are what we now call 'sponsored content', paid for as advertising by the pentagon) try to keep standing and start in on the second stanza. then, the third. There will be a backlash. The issue isnt patriotism. the issue is unquestioning conformity and obedience to imposed regularity. It is a negative demand, neither free nor brave. This is why the un-patriotic demand for blank obedience is to be honorably contradicted.

    On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
    Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
    ’Tis the star-spangled banner—O long may it wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!


    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


    O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
    Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
    Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
    Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

     
  20. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was thinking about this as well, and wondering how many "internationals" play in the NFL. Percentage-wise, it'll be very small compared to MLS, and would naturally invite criticism from the right wingnuts that most here can imagine without me giving it voice.

    Not that I give flying fkuc what these know-nothing turd-eaters say, except for the blessing of self-identification for "future consideration".
     
  21. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't disagree. That said, I've played against visiting teams from Canada, the UK, Mexico, France, etc,, and enjoyed it when both national anthems were played. It also had greater meaning when we played the Air Force Academy.

    Speaking strictly for me, it was a means of showing respect and welcome to your opponent, and lent something additional to the occasion. But I also concede that in each case it WAS an occasion, not an everyday thing. Your points about the modern sporting landscape with so many international players are therefore well taken. It makes the playing of the Star Spangled Banner anachronistic, at best. YMMV.

    Personally, I'd prefer a haka.
     
  22. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So much win, here!
     
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  23. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep, yep, yeppitty yep yep yepster.

    Affirmative. Claro que si. Ya vol.
     
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  24. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I have little problem playing the National Anthem for international National Team games.
    I do not really have a problem playing it for international competition games, as long as they play the anthem for both teams' countries.

    For league games, it is simply unnecessary and a bit creepy.
     
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