Will the 99'ners be known as the "1st generation" 100 years later?

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by McSkillz, Feb 20, 2016.

  1. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    ANGEL CITY FC, UCLA BRUINS
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So lets fast forward to 2091. I'm sorry to say perhaps most of us might not be around but I was wondering, do you think the 99'ners will continue to be legendary until they die into their 80s and 90s?
     
  2. 8MiLLeNiuM

    8MiLLeNiuM Member

    Jan 14, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe not so much if the USA wins a few more WWC's in the meantime.
     
  3. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    United States
    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. I think this trend of the '99ers becoming slightly less "legendary" in the grand scheme of things has already started with the victory in the 2015 WWC. They will always have an important place in the team's history, as will the '15ers, but as Wambach seemed to remind fans as she retired, history doesn't drive the game forward.

    I'm hoping that by 2091 the stars above the U.S. crest will take up more space than the crest itself.
     
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  4. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
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    YYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssss
     
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  5. RockyTopFan

    RockyTopFan Member

    Dec 3, 2015
    Tennessee
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish I could be around to see a star for every state.:)
     
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  6. Semblance17

    Semblance17 Member+

    United States
    Apr 27, 2013
    Lighthouse Point, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Technically I suppose the '91ers would be the "1st generation". I feel like they're so often forgotten, partially because when they won, professional women's soccer was in its infancy, and the FIFA Women's World Cup was called the 1st FIFA World Championship for Women's Football for the M&Ms Cup.

    They may not have captured the imagination of the country/world they way the '99ers did, but nevertheless they were the first U.S. team to ever capture the title, and regardless of how many other World Cups the U.S. wins, they will always have that distinction.
     
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  7. thegamesthatrate

    Jan 9, 2007
    There are several reasons why they receive little recognition compared to the '99ers.

    First, the tournament was in China, not the USA, and it garnered minimal tv viewership.

    Second, the crowds in '91 were inflated by Chinese commands to local factory workers to attend. The massive crowds in the USA were of people who actually wanted to go. And, achieving those crowds for a women's sporting event, even if primarily when the USA played, was historic and to then unprecedented (other than the USA itself in the semis and finals of the '96 Olympics).

    Third, the play was not as good, there were fewer good teams (Brazil was not in '91 what it was in '99, and Nigeria made a splash in '99), the tournament was not called the Women's World Cup and the games were only 80 minutes. It was not as "real" a sport as it was in '99.

    Fourth, six starters and one reserve in '91 were starters in '99. So, there was considerable overlap of the players. It was not a group of newbies in '99.

    Fifth, the '99 team set a TV viewing record for a soccer game in this country, not just a women's soccer game. And, that record was no fluke; it stood for 15 years (until the '14 WC final eclipsed it, in turn eclipsed by the '15 WWC final, restoring the title of largest TV audience for a soccer game to a women's team's game). That is something that no other team sport has achieved.

    Sixth, the publicity that the '99 team generated was nearly infinitely greater than that of the '91 team. This included repeated references on Letterman, one of the players appearing in an ad with Michael Jordan (something only two male athletes achieved) and one player making the cover of Time, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated and People the same week (NOBODY else in ANY realm of life has done that).

    Seventh, the winning goal in '91 came off a defensive blunder by the losing team. Though I hate penalties as a tie-breaker, at least the winning one in '99 was textbook perfect, unstoppable even by Sergio Goycochea.
     
  8. sregis2

    sregis2 Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    i'm hoping so, because i have a ball signed by the team ;-)
     
  9. Mojo Jambo

    Mojo Jambo Member

    Aug 26, 2013
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Michelle Akers is not impressed.
     
  10. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I think our GK moved out to save Liu Ying's PK before the whistle, it should have been retaken.
     
  11. sregis2

    sregis2 Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    forever debatable. 100,000+ screaming partisan fans in the stands and millions watching...you're gonna make that call?
     
  12. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    It's against the rule still. Even Scurry herself admitted it.

    The USWNT played better than China especially in the 90 mins, but that moment was still talked a lot.
     
  13. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Gao was off her line on every one of ours...
     
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  14. Calci0

    Calci0 Member

    Jun 22, 2013
    NC
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    Juventus FC
    This, if you are going to call it one way....
     
  15. sregis2

    sregis2 Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    shall we start listing most rules that are regularly bent on the highest levels? wasn't gonna happen...and wasn't going to be saved.
     
  16. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Worth being in the thread twice.
     
  17. exref

    exref Member

    Aug 1, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Scurry did that on several kicks. It wasn't called. It's history.
     
  18. thegamesthatrate

    Jan 9, 2007
    #18 thegamesthatrate, Mar 2, 2016
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2016
    No. It should not have. Claudio Taffarel also moved before saving the fourth Italian shooter, Daniele Massaro, in the 1994 WC final. Nobody ever said that one should have been re-taken. Scurry was entitled to have the same standard applied to her as he was in the men's final.

    It's one of the points I drove home in my book. Shortstops not touching the bag, traveling calls by NBA players and, yes, movement off the line by goalkeepers are routinely not called. Singling out Scurry is unfair, particularly after Taffarel doing so was ignored.
     
  19. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wasn't going to comment because its old news, but the discussion just keeps going on. Both goalkeepers moved off the line, not just Scurry. Its something that is seen very often on penalty kicks, I'd say 70-80% of the time. Most of the time it is deemed trifling by the referee. If in the opinion of the referee it is trifling (and the line for that varies somewhat by referee, by level of play, and many other factors), then s/he will not call it. For players, testing and finding where the line is for trifling for a referee in any given game is part and parcel of gamesmanship (You see it all the time as players test how far they can go on little bumps or pulls on jerseys.)

    The laws of the game are not meant to be enforced in black-and-white terms; they are somewhat up to interpretation (that's why they're called laws and not rules) and many of them fall under the category of "in the opinion of the referee." That's one of the beautiful things about the beautiful game, imo. In the opinion of that referee in that game, it was trifling and that's really all there is to it. A different referee on a different game may very well have called it differently. A different referee may have called it on the first kick and may have called it against Gao, and the result may have been completely different. It may have still ended up the same. But we can't know that; why continue to debate it?
     
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  20. sregis2

    sregis2 Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    Club:
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    you're preaching to the choir. there's always a random contrarian.
     
  21. exref

    exref Member

    Aug 1, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. exref

    exref Member

    Aug 1, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    By 2091, it will be Papua New Guinea, Martinique, Hawaiian Islands, and North Pole, that will be Legendary.
    Tonga will also be a force, but their best run won't come until a few years after the 22nd century beings.
     
  24. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    She thinks we should beat France 7-0, since her team used to beat them by that much about 25 years ago.
     

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