Why the Republicans shouldn't use new media

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  1. xtomx

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    I did not say that you thought they were a good thing.

    I was saying that they are a bad thing.

    Nobody said it was "biggest news in the land."

    You are superior at jumping to incorrect/incomplete conclusions.
     
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  2. song219

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    Much easier than deciding whether the Trump movement is motivated by economic insecurity, by racism, desire for deregulation or lower taxes, the real motivator is this dislike of any change that has happened in the past 30 years or so.
     
  3. Timon19

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    Implication.

    There are people here doing the usual "look at the dumb hicks exposing their kids to a communicable disease!" while ignoring the mote in their eye that was "pox parties" which used to be fairly widespread tending toward the affluent city dwellers not that long in the past.
     
  4. JohnR

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    Dislike of change certainly belongs in that mix. All the factors that you mention are related and are part of the story, except for economic insecurity, which is a steaming pile since the more that a candidate talks about economic issues with Trump voters, the worse that the candidate will do. (In a 1 hour ramble-a-thon, Trump might spend 5 minutes on economics, if that.)

    But I suppose I should go back to the Racism thread if I wish to continue to batter away on that latter point.
     
  5. ToMhIlL

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    I never heard of Chicken Pox Parties. Then again, I never lived in a place where people added "I tell you what" to the beginning or end of every third sentence.
     
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  6. song219

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    People in the Trump movement don't think of economic issues as a whole but their own economic well-being. They are zero-sum thinkers so if blacks and immigrants are doing better it means they are doing worse.
     
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  7. soccernutter

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    I as born in Mork-town (aka Boulder, CO) and grew up in suburban LA and I knew about them. Maybe no until high school, but definitely did. And I got mine the typical way - from school (kindergarden, IIRC). I remember one day, having to sit in the car while my mom got some groceries (cause my dad was out of town at a conference).
     
  8. ceezmad

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    Same principle with the anti feminist, if women are doing better, then males are worse off (or so they think).
     
  9. xtomx

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    Be best!

    I think we largely agree that is not a great idea, but does/did exist and we can move on from this conversation. ;)
     
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  10. Timon19

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    K.

    Yes, let's.
     
  11. JohnR

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    Well yeah, because chickenpox vaccine wasn't introduced in the U.S. until 1995. What made (at least some) sense then doesn't make a lick of sense now.
     
  12. Q*bert Jones III

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    How did people get autism before vaccines?
     
  13. roby

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    I'm pretty sure you're a bit confused. Mork-town [aka Ork] is probably what you meant.

    Nanu Nanu! :)
     
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  14. roby

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    If you pray hard enough you can get anything you want. At least there's a 50/50 chance. :unsure:
     
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  15. Yoshou

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    #3640 Yoshou, Mar 21, 2019
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    No.. There are people doing the usual "Look at that dumb hick saying that because my kids turned out fine, it's okay to not vaccinate your child".

    Seriously, man.. it isn't just that Bevin had a chicken pox party during a time when the chicken pox virus was available in the US (9 of his 10 kids were born after it was introduced in the US), it's that he then went on the air, was asked about mandatory vaccination on a local radio show and his response was that he had a chicken pox party for his kids instead of having them get vaccinated and because they turned out okay, it's okay for other parents to not get their kids vaccinated.
     
  16. Timon19

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    Dumb hicks, as we've been over before, are far from the only people to do this. This was my point.

    I'm sorry you seem to have a problem with that.
     
  17. Yoshou

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    Except, in this particular case, the shoe fits rather nicely. Sorry you have a problem with specificity.
     
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  18. JohnR

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    You haven't yet shown that. You've talked about what city people did before the vaccine was available, not after it was available.
     
  19. Timon19

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    Remind me again who is an anti-vaxxer regarding vaccines that have been available again?
     
  20. Yoshou

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    Maybe you should.. I dunno.. Read up on Matt Bevin's bio? ;) Don't get me wrong here, he's a multi-multi-millionaire, but he's also built up a story around himself as being a down home country boy that done good.

    That being said, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey would be good examples of "liberal elites" that are also anti-vaxxers who, most likely, have chicken pox parties.
     
  21. roby

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    I dunno but I had measles and mumps at the same time. I've been told that's why I am like I am. :coffee:
     
  22. Timon19

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    I really don't give a shit about Bevin specifically. It's beside the point. At least the point I was trying to make.
     
  23. JohnR

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    The Kentucky guy. A number of his kids came post 1995. Indeed, if he is to believed that all his kids have had chickenpox parties, four of those came recently, because he adopted 4 kids in 2012.

    And yeah, Jenny McCarthy is a dingbat too, and she's from Illnois. Kentucky it must be confessed is especially good at wingnuttery, but it's hardly the only state in that business.
     
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  24. Yoshou

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    Except the discussion wasn't a generalized one until you made it one. The discussion was about Bevin's comments and had nothing to do with him being a hick. You are the one that introduced the entire "dumb hick" concept, attacked people in this thread on something that literally none of them said, and then got super defensive when you got called on it.
     
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  25. Timon19

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    That's one way of looking at it.
     

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