Why is Romario undervalued when it comes to the discussion of best ever?

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by Guigs, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    This player took a team to a WC victory, won best player of the world, was the top scorer of all the leagues he participated on, and is either 6th place on the all time scoring list with over 900 or 2nd place on the all time scoring list if you count only official matches.

    How is this player not considered an all time legend?

    What arguments can be made against his accomplishments? besides I didn't see him during his prime so I don't count him.
     
  2. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
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    Sporting CP Lisbon
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    Portugal
    I remember him as a terrific player

    But Lionel messi is much greater
     
  3. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    I'm questioning not who's better, I just want to know why people think he doesn't deserve his place with legends when he has that resume.
     
  4. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Plus right now everyone says Messi best ever same way Ronaldo was the best ever early in the decade and Ronaldinho was best ever mid decade... every generation has the best player ever currently playing for their eyes to see
     
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  5. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
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    How is he undervalued? Romario is 20th in the list voted by this forum.
     
  6. ---Z---

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    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
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    Sporting CP Lisbon
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    Portugal
    I remember Romario , he was a great striker
    But as a youth I was much more in awe of the skills of Ronaldo

    Romario was great in the box was technically very skillfull and a lethal finisher

    I think Ronaldo had all that plus more explosive power and runs

    But yeah ronaldo had his injuries problems
     
  7. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
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    I don't think he's undervalued, Romario was a genius inside the box and with Van Basten, the most exquisite finisher of the past 30 years. Top 30 of all time is fair, despite his inconsistency at the highest level, his peak is only touched by a half a dozen players ever (Maradona, Garrincha, Pele, Eusebio, Ronaldo, Messi and Zico).
     
  8. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    good answer with question mark

    For me ... there are 3 major reasons:
    1- Romario did not have a long peak (as the best player) beside 92-94 in Europe. He just quite big leagues too soon ... and playing for Brazil league made him (automatically) underated. Just like Neymar, as talented as he is, not many consider him seriously aas among the best right now sadly!
    On top of that, ONLY IF he had turned Brazil league upside down ... but he was just good there (a few very good seasons in 2000's but not like "outstanding"

    2- His main ATTITUDE (arrogant and indisciplined) made him out of favor in Brazilo NT selection (WC02 of which he had a huge chance to win 2nd WC and be a WC topscorer there - note that he played so well with Ronaldo beside/behind)

    3- This is my own view: he did not seem to be a CLUTCH player in big final games (WC94 final a and UCL93 final with a shameful lost 0-4 despite of being labeled as a "dream team" of Dutch maestro ... Remember, to be named along the top legends a player required to put up a "marquee performance" especially in such important game as the FINAL. Look at Zidane, he was a rare goal scorer but he always scored in those big finals (WC98, 06, UCL02 ) to have sealed his name high.
     
  9. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
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    Germany
    Why are so many South Americans that obsessed with those rankings? lol
     
  10. FROADS

    FROADS Member

    Jun 30, 2011
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    Alianza Lima
    I do consider him one of the best that ever played... He may have not been as physically imposing but was way cleverer than Ronaldo. Romario didn't have to go on mazing runs to prove his technique and efficiency, he showed it with his positioning and penchant for scoring. His ball control was superb and by far better than most European strikers at the time. I've never seen Van Basten nutmeg, effortlessly twist and turn defenders like Romario did. Romario was flash, class, and efficiency.

    He proved himself in Europe and in South America. Probably top 5 ever. IMO far more effective than Ronaldo and had more longevity. His intelligence saved his career, Romario was smart enough to know that keeping the ball too long and going on mazing runs would shorten his career with injuries even though he could do it.
     
  11. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    from conversations i've been having on the thread, I've placed Romario high on my top 20 and got a lot of flak over it. From people dismissing his goal accomplishments to people straight up saying he didn't accomplish enough.
     
  12. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Apparently you care also, hence your post.
     
  13. Bruford

    Bruford Member

    Sep 23, 2012
    I must say it´s really hard to rank Romario. There is a clear difference between his status in South America and in Europe.
    Inside Brazil, he is regarded as a top 3 of brazilian players, on par with Zico, below Pele and Garrincha and above Ronaldo. There was some public polls here that always ask the same question: Romario or Ronaldo? And in most cases Romario take the edge in popular opinion. The other legends also tend to go with Romario ( Tostao already said that Romario was the greatest striker ever, Rivelino said that Romario could be the striker in Brazil70, while Ronaldo would be benched if he played in that era, Pele said that Romario was the best ever inside the box, etc).

    However, in Europe, Romario is regarded as a top 5 brazilian at most, below Pele, Garrincha, Zico, Ronaldo an maybe on par with Didi and Rivelino. I think the mainly controversies on this judgement are WC94 and the brazilian league. Inside Brazil, people hails Romario as one of the greatest perfomers in a WC ever. WC94 is remembered here as Romario´s WC, the tournament where he carried an average team to the glory, while in Europe people remembered Brazil94 as a good team, not so good as the other winners squads, but very solid, and Romario as the main player, nothing more.

    The other controversy is about brazilian league. Romario had a great career in Brazil. He was 3 times top scorer, won 1 brasileirao and several states championships, won 1 South america player of the year, bola de ouro and he was the second all time top scorer of the brazilian league (154 goals). For people inside Brazil, these domestic achievements should give him a edge over Ronaldo and Van Basten, while in Europe people rank brazilian league very low, so they don´t take in count these achievements and rank him in a top 30 all time. Overall, I think he should be regarded as a top 20 player.
     
  14. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
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    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
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    Brazil
    I don't know if he is really that much underrated. One of the key factors that comes to mind is that he left Europe prematurely to come back to Brazil. Not many people outside of Brazil has the opportunity of watching him performing in Brazil. Couple that with the fact that European leagues are the "gold standard" to which a player is measured.
     
  15. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    because they got Pele maradona as best player all time ... LOL
     
  16. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    We take being a football nation seriously, and Argentina being our main rival also takes it seriously.

    NT wise and club wise Brazil's achievements are spectacular for a single nation, hence the taking this serious.
     
  17. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    Bruford has submitted feedback. haha

    I do not think he is underrated, but it's strange to see him often placed at a level below Van Basten and Ronaldo.

    I can not speak to Van Basten, he was an amazing player and not seen him play, but I can say that Romario is far better than Ronaldo.
     
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  18. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I agree, I think Romario is way ahead of Ronaldo.
     
  19. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    I'm not saying you have no reason, but here in Brazil we have a completely different view.

    For us, Romario is a most decisive players who have played in the country.

    In Vasco, my club, did several goals in final State Championships in Rio de Janeiro, made ​​goals in the final of the Brazilian Championship 2000, made ​​3 goals in the final of the Copa Mercosul 2000 (the biggest turning of the century!), many gols in playoffs.

    In the Brazilian national team, made ​​goals in the final of the Copa America 1989, made ​​two goals in the victory over Uruguay on 93 that ranked Brazil for the World Cup and was largely responsible for the Brazilian title in the World Cup 1994. For me, after Maradona and Garrincha was the most decisive player in a title in the history of World Cups.

    He promised titles and they came.
     
  20. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    It’s just a different view from outside. Most Brazilians I know prefer Romario over Ronaldo not only because of the final in 98’ but because they simply got to see him more than a lot of people did. Romario was excellent in the early 2000’s wayy after a lot of people got to see him with Barca. I recall the year Tevez won player of the year in Brazil Romario was actually the top scorer in the league. Of course as was mentioned his attitude didn’t help and also the fact that later on he went and played for a second division team in Miami for money and to pad up his scoring stats

    It’s similar in a way to Riquelme in Argentina Riquelme’s best years were in Argentina. Not many people saw him outside except for his time at Villarreal. In Argentina lots of people love him, a lot hate him.
     
  21. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well and I would say most Brazilians (in Brazil) have very very "extremely" different view ... (than the rest of the world)
    I said "BIG" final games like WC, UCL ... of course he did score in some "small" finals like Brazil cup or Confederation cup ...

    It's ridiculous to say Romario is "far better" than Ronaldo - UNTHINKABLE FALSE

    In fact Romario (and Basten) had 1 thing better than Ronaldo is "header" (or aerial work) the rest of attributes *shooting, ball controlling dribbling passing running positioning ... Ronaldo was better than them two. I had watched them 3 LIVE in their peak time week in week outs

    Just like older Brazilians (inside Brazil) tent to Think Garrincha "better' than Pele! That's also ridiculously faulty claim at worst
     
  22. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    Yes, Romario was far more player Ronaldo. I say this with all due respect to your opinion. :)

    Romario was more technical and skilled and had a vast repertoire to complete the goal - kicking with both legs, tabelava, hid the goalkeeper (like Messi), kicked a pout, got back and turned the defender, anticipation, header between other qualities.

    Ronaldo is a genius, I'm your fan. Of course he was a great striker and dominated many qualities, but did not run so well so many qualities that I mentioned as Romario.

    And speaking of positioning? Romario is the best player in history in this regard. Nobody is as good as putting it inside the penalty area. Here in Brazil we say ''the ball search Romario''.

    Regarding the qualities of a midfielder, Romario was also better, his pass was far more accurate than Ronaldo, he had much more class. Surely if it was not a striker, Romario would have all the qualities to be an excellent number 10.

    In Europe, 4 national titles, 4 artillery national, two artillery Champions League. Responsible for the Brazil classification of the World Cup 1994. In the competition, participated in more than 80% of Brazilians goals - most importantly it for a national team in one title, only Maradona in 1986 was better.
    Most goals in official games, more artillery.


    Ronaldo has never been more important for a team like Romario was for their titles he won.



    Cheers!
     
  23. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    Of course not always be a player more complete than others means he is better. This is the case of Maradona, who was not as complete as Zico, for example, but was much better than the brazilian. But in this case Romario x Ronaldo the comparison is valid. If you look at the best of Ronaldo, Romario also and did much more.

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    Romario returned to Brazil with 28/29 years, he did not need to do anything else in Europe.

    In Europe, Had become the idol in Barcelona and PSV, was the best player in the world and world champion with Brazil.
     
  24. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Gosh ... your so narrow-minded opinion. (just like many live inside Brazil and always think Brazil league is as GOOD as Liga EPL ....)

    STATS said Ronaldo scored same or more goals and even made more assists than Romario in ha;f of the number of games played.

    STATS said Ronaldo was a much better player (usually comparable to Pele/Maradona) at peak time.. NO ONE ever bother to compare Romario vs Pele/Maradona (but himself saying so)

    What did Romario do more?
    - Ronaldo 15goals WC (won 1 + 1 Finalist) >> Romario 5goals (won 1 WC)
    - Ronaldo was MVP copa97 and topscorer 99 (10goals + 5ass/12games) >> Romario 7goals/9games (neither topscorer nor MVP)
    - Ronaldo left Barca 34goals (liga record) and 47goals /season Barca record (until broken by Messi last year)>> Romario 31goals despite playing with the DREAM TEAM and great coach in Cruijff.
    - Ronaldo 3WPOY + 2 Ballon Dor > Romario 1WPOY + 1ballon Dor
    - At young agae Ronaldo got nearly 1GPG in Brazil league, a feast that only Pele did !
    - At older age , Even with tons of weights , Ronaldo won the paulista 09 in style for Conrinthians with so many quality goals scored ...

    Now I can NOT think of any thing that Romario did more than il fenomeno (if EVER)????

    BTW did anyone call Romario a phenomenon?
     
  25. Lucas...

    Lucas... Member+

    Dec 18, 2012
    - About World Cups, you forgot to say a few things:
    Ronaldo played in three World Cups, where the three Brazil was a big favorite for the title and had the best team. In 2002, he played alongside players like Roberto Carlos, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo. Even many consider Rivaldo as important as Ronaldo in that campaign. I disagree, but without Rivaldo the great contribution of them, there would be Brazilian title.

    Meanwhile, Romario played only one World Cup, where he was the champion and main responsible for the Brazilian title. As I said, it is a fact that Romario carried the team on his shoulders. It was an organized team, but without Romario, there would be no title. And if we take Ronaldo's team of 2002? Furthermore, Romario was injured by 90 and 98 and was still screwed by Felipão 2002.
    And the argument goals in World Cups is quite debatable, after all, Klose is near provavelment overcome it and do it, but no one here is crazy to say that he is better than Ronaldo.
    And the eyes of those who understand football (looks at how the player acts and the team he plays for) and also numbers, the importance of Romario for the title of 1994 was much higher than that of Ronaldo in 2002. This is a fact for all Brazilians.

    - About the goals in Barcelona, ​​I can not disagree with the statistics, but I can say that the best season of Romario was not this but when he scored 72 goals in 2000. Remember that Romario played alongside big stars, it is worth remembering the relay is due to the limit of foreigners.
    The height of Ronaldo was brighter and overwhelming, but what is the big season for Ronaldo clubs except 96/97? Romario had a regular career.

    -'' Ronaldo was scorer and MVP copa97 99 (10goals + 5ass/12games) >> 7goals/9games Romario (or gunner or MVP)''
    I do not understand, is how to explain it better? In that competition?

    A curious fact: in 1997, the year he played 19 games for the national team together, Romario scored 19 goals and Ronaldo scored 15 goals. Funny thing is that Ronaldo was the best in the world and then Romario played in the'' weak'' Brazilian League.

    Romario has an average higher goals with the Brazilian national team than Ronaldo.

    - This is pretty obvious: the prize is given to anyone who plays in Europe. Where are they going to give a prize to anyone who plays out of European football? Still another Ballon D'or!

    - Romario made ​​his debut in professional football aged 19.

    - The comparison is unequal when it enters the field of aging.

    Romario played at high level until his 36 years when he led Fluminense to the semifinals of the Campeonato Brasileiro 2002. In Vasco, in 2000, won the Copa Mercosur and the Brazilian Championship and scored more than 60 goals this season from Vasco. He was also top scorer in the Brazilian League in 2005, aged 39.
    His presence in the team Brazil in the World Cup 2002 was right, it just was not called by fights with Scolari. The entire Brazilian people asked her to call.

    Ronaldo, in late career, only played at a high level in Brazil in 2009


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    Let the facts:
    - Romario has more goals than Ronaldo officers.
    - Romario artillery has more than Ronaldo.
    - Romario has more titles than Ronaldo (Ronaldo absent in clubs).
    - Romario was more important for the title of 1994 than Ronaldo for the title of 2002.
    - Romario has averaged more goals in the Brazilian national team than Ronaldo.
    - Romario has played at a high level until 36/37 years while Ronaldo, now the same age, can not play friendlies or of no value.
    - Romario in his best season in club, he scored 65 goals while Ronaldo scored 47. Otherwise, Romario scored more than 35 goals in a season six other opportunities while Ronaldo did on two occasions.
    - When played together a long time, in 1997, Romario scored more goals than Ronaldo, then better world. And Romario was 30.
    - Ronaldo suffered injuries, but the injuries that resulted in losses Romario had much more significant: for them, Romario has not played the World Cup or the Cup 90 of 98. By slutty technician, not played for Brazil between 94 and 96, have not played the 1996 and 2000 Olympics or the 2002 World Cup.


    All that I quoted is in the field of statistics and titles.

    If we enter the field of GAME, FOOTBALL, there is no comparison because Romario was a much more complete player than Ronaldo.


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    The discussion is at a high level. Stop belittling my opinion. Even here on the forum have said my opinion about the Brazilian League x Top Leagues European.

    I'm a fan of Ronaldo, I have several shirts from him, but for me it is very clear that Romario was much better, and it does not diminish Phenomenon.

    What about nicknames, this is so subjective ... Romario is considered the Genius of the Area, but it is not worth anything to a discussion.

    Abraços!
     
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