Why is Germany such a football powerhouse?

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  1. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think we can say that fielding men in a girls tourney pretty much outweighs that kind of magic.
     
  2. fifazil

    fifazil New Member

    Jan 22, 2012
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    they could have done that. If I can remember correctly, a German male athlete was disguised as a women to enter a female competition in 1936 Olympics.

    there you go, Impossible is not German:)
     
  3. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    YOU MAD BRO?
     
  4. Dmnk

    Dmnk Member

    Jul 27, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    They say salt delays the boiling point. Good. The longer their agony about Germany winning the better. Here's to more salt!
     
  5. Dmnk

    Dmnk Member

    Jul 27, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Welcome back, rizzoli&codesal.
     
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  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jan/29/secret-footballer-andy-gray-pundits
    http://www.theguardian.com/football...clubs-computer-analysts-managers-data-winning
     
  7. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  8. tudobem62014

    tudobem62014 Member+

    Feb 26, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #333 tudobem62014, Sep 8, 2014
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2014
    From what I remember 90% of my elementary class were German descendants growing up (the what is your history day in class created a class wall that was decorated with 28 German flags + 3 different ones lol). Apparently the USA via Britain is just one long German bloodline anyways... http://www.wimp.com/englishevolve/ that kinda explains a lot... maybe we can win the World Cup one day. There are large populations of Germans in Uruguay, Brazil, and Argentina. Kinda explains 4/7 World Cup winners from a competitive mentality stand point... Italy (Roman Empire (Argentina is more here though), Spain, France being the other 3.
     
  9. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The number of great players from Uruguay, Argentina or Brazil of German descent is minimal, I think only Friedenreich for Brazil would have an outside chance of making an all-time squad for each of those nations. There are far more Spaniards and Italians descendants than Germans.
     
  10. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Apart from this not being a particularly serious issue, descent isn't a linear thing anyway. We're all of African descent for example. Or another example is that it's virtually a certainty that every single human being on the planet today is a descendant of Gengis Khan. It sounds counter intuitive, but people have done the math and it's true. By the same token, we're all descendants of the same unknown shepherd who lived in England 3000 years ago. After a certain amount of time, these heredity-lines either die out or dominate completely.
     
  11. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wait, what? No, no, no...we all came from Adam and Eve.
     
  12. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That Gengis Khan tale is bullshit, there is no mathematical proof for it either (it's more like abstract formulas where you can't disprove a negative). I myself think I am a descendant of Buddha and could probably prove it mathematically.
     
  13. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    or they become German......:thumbsup:

    Nice avatar BTW! I found it on Google...it was an accident
     
  14. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    It really depends. If his line still exists, you most certainly are a descendant. With Gengis Khan, that is very likely. For the science, see here:
    http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/CommonAncestors/NatureCommonAncestors-Article.pdf
    http://www.stat.yale.edu/~jtc5/papers/Ancestors.pdf
     
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  15. tudobem62014

    tudobem62014 Member+

    Feb 26, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    damn, dude was a pimp
     
  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I don't think this reasoning is true.

    Also within major countries, with major populations, there is a gap in ability between the best player and 14th best player (11 players + 3 subs). Or the 3rd best player and 11th best player.

    So if we take a superstar as the limit of human ability, many within the same team are often still a notch below that limit.

    It can be said that advantages in population work exponentially, in a way. Because not only the sample size increases, but also many other factors related to superior population (and/or fanbase) improve.

    The organization stability (like the average tenure of the national team coach) is often seen as an important factor for the consistency of the German national team. This consistency and stability is however conditional upon the population of the country. Without an as large population, there is - for a few reasons - a reduced chance to keep your manager, and competent layers below, for a prolonged period of time. The stability, with the tenure of the manager as most tangible artefact, is evidently though indirectly related to the population factor.

    Unlike what many think, there is also no 'natural' concensus about how a game ought to be played, the way competitions are set up and organized; and revenues should be distributed. Also in this sense it helps to have a superior population above others, as the past 20 years have clearly shown.
     
  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This article sort of hints also at the importance of fanbase/population
    http://www.theguardian.com/football...ns-league-arsenal-real-madrid-manchester-city

    This superior fanbase is key in actually shaping (and changing) competitions, plus how the game is played out. The article pretty much explains this part; the relationship between the market potential and how competitions are designed.

    Furthermore, you just can't keep competent managers for ~10 years without the resources, career opportunities and - ultimately - fanbase/population.
    Similarly, hiring fancied fitness gurus - who purportedly made players run 15% more as any other of the 31 countries - is also remotely related to the population factor (or: having more fans and resources as close competitors).
     
  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Population:
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2013/06/german-football-s-finances

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontev...unich-can-the-worlds-best-club-keep-it-going/

    http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...ured-itself-and-why-it-couldnt-work-elsewhere
    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/world-cup-2014-other-teams-thread.2006352/page-28#post-30771068


    More population, fans and sponsors/'strategic partners' also aids in pressing through the desired 'financial fair play' regulations (which has nothing do to with fairness but that's by the by).
     
  19. amaravil

    amaravil New Member

    Sep 28, 2014
    excuse me excuse me...i am a new one here but unfortunately i dont know how to make a new post here...please informe me thank you
     
  20. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    You just did. Congratulations!
     
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  21. tudobem62014

    tudobem62014 Member+

    Feb 26, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
  22. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Few people know that the now famous Hans Joachim Eckert, officially named "chairman of the adjudicatory chamber of the FIFA Ethics Committee" but in the press known as "FIFA chief judge", is born in Munich and possibly a Bayern Munich supporter.
     
  23. DDDrogba

    DDDrogba Red Card

    Apr 6, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    ................

    Blatter himself is an honorary member in DFB, he reciprocated by granting them world cup 2014 title.
    http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/president/news/newsid=1322100/

    thats why we will never see Germany suffer from referee's mistakes.
     
  24. tudobem62014

    tudobem62014 Member+

    Feb 26, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Prussian pragmatism and work ethic
     
  25. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes, because being an honorary member of the DFB is SUCH a high privilege it is worth the cheating behind it to acquire this incredible honor.

    :rolleyes:
     

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