Why buy a €57 mil Camry when you can get a Porsche for €5 mil - The Welcome Casemiro Thread

Imagine if we had signed Alonso from Sociedad to replace him then

 

Well simple, we are no way considered strong team defensive wise. Accordingly, you should be able to say that someone is not that great at his job. Now we can blame individuals like Varane, Ramos or Marcelo, but the point is , defensive mid should be able to glue everything together. not always possible, individual mistakes will happen, but trend is that we are collectively not strong in defense and therefore defensive mid should do better job. Look I am not going to be that guy who is going to say, hey I am right and everyone is wrong. Its just my opinion, not necessarily ultimate true.

 

DM who can fully mitigate offensive fullbacks + 2/3 players upfront with shitty defensive output does not exist.

My view of Casemiro is that he is definitely quality DM. But and this is crucial thing, he was basically built by Zizu`s system. Now when we are in state of change, his importance is diminished. I see Llorente as a better option for the future.

 

I see what you did there , but thats what I was saying earlier, Casemiro's role is more than that , he should be not judged as individual player. Same way as reason Modric won Golden Ball, not because he scored most , or assisted most, but he excelled at his role last year as our team and Croatia engine by doing his job as offensive midfielder.

 

And you think our defenders dont have a crucial role?

 

Who could be the perfect defensive midfielder in your mind?

It's not like we conceded less in Makelele era. We conceded 42 in 38 games in 2002-03 Laliga. We conceded 41 in 2017.

We tried Alonso too, and only when we played under a demanding coach like Mourinho, with 2 defensive midfielders, we conceded a reasonable amount of goals in the league, 32 in 38 games.

I'd say it's a matter of weak and careless defensive system than individuals.

 

He is crucial for Brazil as well and they probably would have beaten Belgium in the WC if he was on the starting XI that day.

 

Actually, we had Cambiasso sitting on the bench when Makelele left. I would not mind having him to start in the middle for the next 10 seasons. Of course, Perez preferred to start Beckham over him and we later signed Gravesen. Xabi Alonso or Cambiasso would have been a better choice than Gravesen. We also had a player named Pablo García! He must be the dirtiest player and/or the most useless I have seen ever wearing our jersey.


PS: We also lost Hierro the same summer Makelele left. He was declining the season before, but he was still the captain of the team. Pavon also never lived up to expectation.

 

Casimero is fundamental.
Just like makelele was.
Problem is Perez never gets that.

 

Yeah but he was kind of a box to box than a midfield anchor. We needed Alonso to be our Motta alongside him.

I remember Gravesen. Legit tough guy. Still he did fine in my opinion although he used to play further in the pitch at Everton. Pablo Garcia i just remember a face. Nothing of his play, only know it didn't work for us.

 

Why? Perez seems to be very fond of him

 

Pablo Garcia was a typical Uruguayan player. He just played dirty football. He just kept committing fouls.

In one of the CL championship documentaries(probably for 2017), Perez thanked Casemiro and told him that Real Madrid won the CL in every single year he was on the team.

 

Worst passing if the midfield 3
Most fouls of the midfield 3

Defensive Error leading to goal (Tadic) dribble

Kroos was useless, but don't let anyone tell you Casemiro was any different.
Cost us the PK (Suarez) in clasíco and another pathetic performance Vs Ajax

 

He is a unbelievable dumb as a player. lacks the intellegince to play in the middle of the field. Busquets, Xabi etc all are on another level when it comes to awarness, passing etc.

Llorente should be walking in that starting 11 when he is back.

 

I expected him to struggle vs. pressing opponent. But i did not expect that he absolutely collapses defensively. I want to see 4-4-2 with Llorente and Modrić playing in the center. Or Modrić, Llorente, Ceballos / Isco.

 

that's the best we've got right now and i still want to see this:

VJR - Benzema
Isco
Ceballos Llorente Modric


100000% with this midfield we would have dominated them yesterday. all 4 are able to pass and receive ball under pressure.

 

He is not dumb. He is simply different type of player, who gets exposed vs. opponent with strong tactical awareness. As result, you get situation as in first goal when he completely fails to support Kroos - create triangle with Reguilon and effectively / creatively mitigate situation. Now what would be even better is receive and turn with the ball which would completely open Ajax. But sadly, he does not have this crucial capacity.

With Llorente on pitch yesterday we would not get 2 goals in >20 minutes.

 

I would consider 4-4-2 with two compact lines to limit space between the line. And in right situations press Ajax. Deciding for 4-3-3 with standard midfield was basically suicide.

 

Which is extremely dumb, 0 awareness. you learn these triangles in youth teams of prof clubs. You don't help your teammate by going to him. you help him by moving off the ball, it seems this simple concept is to hArd for Casemiro to understand.

on top of that he at least one time a game completely misplaced a pass in the middle of the field, like a pass to nobody. That penalty he gave away doesn't make him look smart.. just wait hold the defender tight to you, but no he makes the foul..

 

Such situations are happening constantly. Off positioning, off movement and no timing. The end result we are often in bad situations on every third of the pitch, and players are often in the void having zero coherent / creative solutions left. And yet there is zero correction from coaching staff. First and foremost we have a coaching problem, despite squad lacking quality.

 

With all these dumb lazy players in midfield I really wish we had someone to score goals with consistency, just like in the old days and basically what i know as Madrid, I wish our attack wasn’t so dull, I mean, we still do create chances

 

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