Why buy a €57 mil Camry when you can get a Porsche for €5 mil - The Welcome Casemiro Thread

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  1. REALFOREVER

    REALFOREVER Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    In the past the plan was to overplay modric and kroos, and try to fit in Isco when it was possible to get him minutes. This meant little time for Kova.

    Now that Isco has sort of forced the issue and Zidane seems to trust him more, this probably means more even rotation among modric, kroos, and Isco, while then trying to find time for Kova.

    This will mean more opportunities for Kova. It also likely means Kova will be the primary cm off the bench.

    If you are winning or controlling a game, it is unlikely you would sub in whoever is not playing among modric, kroos, and Isco. You would save that player for the next game in which they would start.

    That means you use Kova as the primary cm sub, and you probably sub them in for the cm that will likely start the next game so they are rested too.

    You can only rotate like this if you sort of trust certain players and consider them to be basically interchangeable in terms of talent.

    I assume there will games where llorente and casemiro play together too, but i expect them to rotate most games with either one or the other starting. Late game situations may dictate bringing in whoever is not playing that day to shore up the mid.

    The team is in a very good position when it comes to the three midfield positions.

    And for the record Casemiro is not a bad player, if llorente edges him out for the primary dm spot it is because llorente is performing extremely well.

    The reason why I am extremely excited about llorente is because his well rounded skillet is hard to find in a dm. Fyi, I am a Redondo fan.

    Whether that translates at Madrid, we have to wait and see. Worse case scenario, we probably have another decent dm, and then actually have two on the roster. And as others have reiterated. We need two players per spot.
     
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  2. meringues

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    #802 meringues, May 10, 2017
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    The praise will go mostly to Modric and Isco, and deservedly so, because they (and to a lesser extent Kroos) were simply incredible.

    But I just want to point out that, outside of the early bump on Carrasco that could've been a penalty, I'm not sure that Casemiro -- under a lot of pressure -- put a single foot wrong the entire night. He was comfortable in possession, had several almost Modric-like turns in tight spaces, and made the right passes.

    Props to this dude, who has come in for some [deserved] criticism lately but was absolutely immense tonight.
     
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  3. Zidane05

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    Jul 18, 2005
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    First 30 minutes for him weren't great. He lost the ball three times that come to mind real quick: Once to Koke I think where he played in Griezmann and it was turned into a corner, once he tried to play it up front and it got intercepted before the halfway line, and once (which I don't mind as much as the first two) in Atletico's half where someone was on his tail and he panicked and just dropped the ball and no one was there from our team. Once Modric started going all Modric, he took a lot of pressure off of Casemiro (and Kroos too tbf) and Casemiro was splendid the rest of the night.
     
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  4. meringues

    meringues Member+

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    You probably remember better than I do -- I remember him losing the ball once or twice but feeling like it was more good closing out from Atleti than any mistake he made. Just thought he had a fantastic night on the whole and much better than recent outings.
     
  5. Marius abessolo

    Apr 25, 2017
    Sorry but he is one of the most limited player from brazil i have ever seen, he has no technique and he is so slow but yes he is good at stopping the opposition play but when under pressure he loses the ball way too easily for my liking.

    Certainly a good defensive mid but nothing else can't even compare to mahmadou diarra who was equally as good as him in that department but was way better with his passing range, i am really dreading the final with the way juve pressure teams he could be the weak link in midfield with his slowness and lack of technical ability .
     
  6. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Momo was a dreadful passer even when not under pressure. Had a terrible first touch too. Casemiro is actually decent with long/diagonal balls when he has enough space. Got few assists that way. He becomes vulnerable only with limited space.
     
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  7. Marius abessolo

    Apr 25, 2017
    I very rarely remember him losing the ball the way caseimiro does most if the time never put a foot wrong in any big matches against barca and was very clever with his tackling knowing when to and not to.

    Caseimiro has a long way for me to go before being as effective as he was.

    N'golo kante would be the ideal defensive mid as he is pretty much like makelele but faster and with more stamina and a much better passer than brazil king.
     
  8. russian hattie

    russian hattie Member+

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    Considering they both play a defensive midfield role, Kante and Makelele are actually quite different players in how they go about their job. But they look a little similar so that's enough right?

    Kante also plays alongside Matic so they share defensive duties. Casemiro's role is to free up Kroos and Modric. His inclusion turned last season around for us. He brought stability. Some criticism of him has been fair, all players have dips in form, but some is unjust. He has been targeted recently, especially in the Barca game were it was embarrassingly obvious they were trying to get him sent off.
     
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  9. Lyra

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    Apr 29, 2013
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    Isco's game HLs

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  10. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
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    Casemiro has a fantastic long ball which was on full display last night. Sounds like some hater sh*t going on in this thread Casemiro is a fantastic player.
     
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  11. kweyork

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    He frustrates me, but you got to love his attitude.

    I would prefer llorente in their, but i hope both of them can coexist in the club and improve each other for years to come.
     
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  12. Crimson

    Crimson BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 11, 2009
    I love him, but I can see why others don't. He was brilliant in last years UCL final and for the most part this year I think he has been pretty damn good, performing an incredibly hard role in the team. Covering Marcelo, plus the back four, absolutely thankless at times.

    Looking forward to Llorente as well, we have a good future ahead.
     
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  13. 9Qui

    9Qui Moderator
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    May 26, 2004
    By "others" do you mean antimadridistas?
     
  14. Crimson

    Crimson BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 11, 2009
    by others I mean Bayern fans xD haha
     
  15. 9Qui

    9Qui Moderator
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    May 26, 2004
    That's a yes then! :D
     
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  16. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

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    He is so essential to the way we play. The way he was breaking up opposition attacks today was incredible. Then again, in order to have that you also need to live with the constant flirting with red cards and dangerous freekick giveaways. Personally, I think its worth it for the protection he offers.
     
  17. meringues

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    From Castilla underperformer to one of the best players on the pitch in the CL final, helping us lift la duodecima. Unbelievable how far he's come.
     
  18. Crimson

    Crimson BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 11, 2009
    To all the doubters and naysayers

    Bow down to the best DM in the world

    I'm looking at you Bayern fans
     
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  19. WhiteBlood

    WhiteBlood BigSoccer Supporter

    May 31, 2006
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    Crazy taking a shot from there, but ended up being an incredibly vital goal. Overall very smooth and confident performance.
     
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  20. natenate101

    natenate101 Moderator
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    Dec 16, 2006
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    This guy is living the dream, and he deserves it. Busts his ass out there covering tons of ground and his attitude is perfection. Happy to be here and willing to sacrifice. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he certainly has proven me wrong. Kudos.
     
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  21. meringues

    meringues Member+

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    Bro chose a great time to play one of the best matches of his career and score a game-winning goal -- his passing today was ... not typical haha.

    You could see it too, his teammates were much more willing to pass him the ball into tight spots as the game went on.
     
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  22. natenate101

    natenate101 Moderator
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    I honestly feel he has been strong most of this season, especially defensively where he wins tackles when none of our other mids would. We gave up goals, but we certainly would've given up more if he weren't there. Has turned into a very good tackler and even though he sticks out times because he isn't very clean on the ball, he gets the job done. The proof is in the pudding pops y'all, this guy brings balance.
     
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  23. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    My lord, what a goal. Shaky in the first half, but dominant in the second. They didn't even get a sniff of the goal. Great pressure, great anticipation, and smart passing.
     
  24. Ƭяιиιтʏ

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    May 11, 2014
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    So Casemiro had Marcelo shave his head as well....
    Definition of bravery - trusting a guy who doesn't seem to have had a haircut in 6+ years to do yours

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  25. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
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    Man, this guy is a boss. The way he ran into the ball before his shot, telling Modric he got this, you just knew he was gonna score. Love him.
     
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