Why arent Suriname and Guyana part of CONMEBOL?

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by texanballer, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. whitecloud

    whitecloud Member+

    Jan 25, 2009
    Gulf Shores, AL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which is why I linked you to real case transcrips, instead of the blogs :) Or are you suggesting that the case law is falsified as well?

    The World Baseball Classic is not an officially sanctioned tournament of IBAF, yet it takes place anyway. There is no world governing body that says the Super Bowl can proceed. Boxing or wrestling promoters need only make up an "official" title and find two opponents to fight and a venue to use. Things like insurance are the responsibility of the event promoter. I can stage an event in my backyard in any sport, soccer not excepted, and call it the "Greatest game in the World" and there is no sporting organization which has the authority granted to it under U.S. law to stop me. My only limitations are those of capitalism. Lionel Messi and Barcelona might not want to play in my backyard, not even for the title of Champion of "The Greatest Game in the World"(their loss). And limitations of municipal governments, the city of Orange Beach might not appreciate me staging the "Greatest Game in the World" in my backyard and might even have local zoning laws preventing it. The USSF and by extension FIFA do not have the authority to stop any professional exhibition on U.S. soil. Its nice for them to grant their approval to all those summer tours of clubs like West Brom, but its an approval based on authority they don't really have. Yet, we somehow managed to stage a World Cup here anyway. Imagine that.
     
  2. david-golota

    david-golota New Member

    May 31, 2011
    Cant you see it?
    These teams would get crushed and beaten bad if they should compete with the South American teams.
    They have a lot better chance in CONCAF.

    It is pure logical.
     
  3. CharlieBrown

    CharlieBrown New Member

    Nov 14, 2004
    FL
    I think Suriname and Guyana should play in Conmebol, that way they'd have 12 sides and there would be no need to invite the likes of Japan, Costa Rica etc.
     
  4. david-golota

    david-golota New Member

    May 31, 2011

    Totally agree on that:D
    Im also very against other countries participating in Continentiel Cups.
    Even though it is a very big and great reason, then i just think think they wont get any chance to win or even score at the Copa America.
    On the other side, they would play at every Copa America, and not like today: They dont have any chance to get to the Gold Cup. :(
     
  5. ZeekLTK

    ZeekLTK Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    What? lol, in soccer Guyana and Suriname are not "South America". They are "North American" just as much as Grenada, Honduras, and even Canada, so their representation in North America's tournament (the Gold Cup) should not be a surprise.
     
  6. aguimarães

    aguimarães Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Club:
    LD Alajuelense
    Guyana's top cricket players compete with the West Indies cricket team. Their athletes and teams are obviously more comfortable in the Caribbean, which is part of CONCACAF. It actually makes more sense for Mexico, Costa Rica, and Honduras to compete in South American tournaments than Guyana and Suriname.
     
  7. TulsaTime2002

    TulsaTime2002 New Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2019
    That is completely different. The MLS is a league, just like the NBA, the NHL and MLB are all leagues that have one or more Canadian teams in them. (If TV viewership were higher in other cities, I am sure there would be more Canadian teams in those leagues.) But when it comes to FIFA, each country is only allowed one team.
     
  8. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Very interesting topic. I am sure the Suriname jokes will stop once it recognizes citizenship for all individuals born there.

    Suriname brought excellent players to this world, which unfortunately had to migrate to Europe and lost their Suriname citizenship as years passed.
    Here is a good article about those players and their willingness to represent Suriname, despite constitutional barriers:
    https://www.footballparadise.com/introducing-the-best-team-the-world-never-had-suriname/

    It reminds me of how Venezuela sabotaged itself with a similar law against citizens who took up another nationality. Fortunately, that law was abolished in the late 1990s.
    Banishing successful emigrants will hurt your nation's progress.
     
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  9. 764dak

    764dak Member

    Sep 7, 2012
    Club:
    US Città di Palermo
    Colombia and Venezuela also take part in the Central American and Caribbean games. They could've been in CONCACAF.
     
  10. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    I won't take credit for this answer as I happened to hear this on a podcast but Surinam and Guyana are both located in areas of South America that are basically geographically isolated from the rest of South America. Much of the foundations that built the modern geographical regions of the sport occurred at a time where travel and communications simply weren't what they are today. Even air travel was difficult between the north coast and the rest of the continent. Both of these nations as well as French Guiana primarily traded and had closer diplomatic ties with the Caribbean; ties which would eventually lead these countries to head the movement to create the footballing federation among themselves and the rest of the Caribbean that actually preceded CONCACAF's formation as it exists today. In short, it would have never occurred to any of them, circa 1920, to do things any different. In addition, they still had ties to Europe back then.

    Think about what things were like around the turn of the century and you'll have your answer.
     
  11. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's still an issue now: if the Guyanas were incorporated into Conmebol tomorrow, everyone except Venezuela would now have to deal with the headache of either 1) shelling out for an expensive charter flight or 2) making connections in Colombia or Panama for a total commute of 10-12 hours.
     
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  12. Metropolitan

    Metropolitan Member

    Paris Saint Germain
    France
    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    #87 Metropolitan, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:32 PM
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2019 at 12:47 PM
    The Amazon rainforest totally invades the Guyanas and is totally impassable. It's a barrier which is as strong as the Ocean is, if not more as that one is still fully navigable. Granted they've inaugurated recently a road from French Guiana to Macapa in Brazil but it doesn't really change much to that.

    French Guianese people consider themselves as Caribbeans, feel themselves as islanders, and I hardly believe it's any different for Suriname and Guyana.
     
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  13. jagum

    jagum Member

    Montreal Impact
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    We used to have direct flights from Caracas and Puerto Ordaz to Georgetown, Guyana. No anymore. The only chance is via Port of Spain.
    But with the current situation in Venezuela, we will be another Guyana. Increasingly isolated from the world and with fewer air connections. In fact, I think our Conmebol rivals will have to come in charters for the qualifiers.
     
  14. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    And don't forget that Venezuela became a FIFA member via sponsorship of a Concacaf member.

    It gained FIFA membership before it was allowed to join Conmebol.

    Conmebol history is really more about politics than geographical ties.
     
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