Who's the favorite to win this group ?

Discussion in 'GROUP H: Poland, Colombia, Senegal, Japan' started by Flipmode2000, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Coeur

    Coeur Member

    Jul 6, 2015
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    I am hoping that all the teams will be healthy and in optimal squads. I expect to see some really good football in group H.
     
  2. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund

    Well, darn. He's important.
     
  3. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I said this in the Colombia forum and I will say it here. 5 games would be too harsh.

    A guy can violently step on someone and basically injure him for many months or a career and get two MAYBE three games.
    An ignorant 24 year old fool does something stupid like this and could get 5 games?
    Punishment just does not fit the crime in my book. If he does get 5 games they should appeal it.
     
  4. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    They probably will.

    What Cardona did was excruciatingly stupid, though.
     
  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes. I agree it was stupid and uncalled for and maybe a suspension of few games should be applied. And the irony of it all in my book is that I have been saying the last few years that it would not surprise me if he did something detrimental to the team because of his temper and his history a the club level. (A ticking time bomb if you will.)
    Never would have imagined it would be like this though. And to be fair he really has behaved at the National team level under Pekerman until this incident.
     
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  6. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    How important is he for Colombia anyway?

    And I may still be butthurt as some fellow Iranians say, but you can even injure a player for many months or even destroy his career, yet only get a yellow card.
     
  7. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    He has scored important goals for Colombia this cycle. Game winners on various occasions. Also, as I alluded to before he is very creative and can pass the ball very well with good vision.
    If he is not a starter he is usually the first one off the bench to provide a spark.
     
  8. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Can't see this being treated lightly though. Think this will kill his chances of a group game at the World Cup and may exclude him altogether.
     
  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Which is too harsh for a heated moment in a friendly in my opinion.
     
  10. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    It's probably for the racial context.
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes. And FIFA wants to make a statement.
    But I don't believe the punishment fits the crime.
     
  12. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    I doubt it will be five matches. But what do you think would be fair? After all, this was an intentional racist act, not a clumsy but unintentional challenge that results in an injury.

    I think a two match suspension is perfectly fair, and even three would not be excessively harsh, IMO.
     
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  13. Coeur

    Coeur Member

    Jul 6, 2015
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    How stupid is that. A guy making racist gesture to a guy of antrhopologicaly the same "race", if anyone believes in "race" concept. It's basically the same as afroamericans calling each other N word. Noone punishes them for that.
     
  14. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Not the same though.
     
  15. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Same race? Cardona and the Koreans? Certainly not with respect to facial features, which is what he was mocking.
     
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  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honest question @zahzah : to the best of your knowledge, how is Senegal's locker room chemistry - and probably more importantly, their rapport with the Federation? I'd hate to up their chances of advancing, only to see them implode à la Ghana 2014...
     
  17. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Senegalese are a very laid back crowd and for the most part very earnest folk. El Hadji Diouf is very un-Senegalese like in this regard. I venture I guess that Jamaica is mostly made out of people of Wolof origin. Overall there should be no issue with locker room chemistry.

    That's also why we shouldn't see any on-field breakdowns like we have with Cameroon.

    I don't follow the FA, but I've never once heard about major issues with the federation. There was time where El Hadji Diouf had a major fallout with the federation, but once again it seems pretty well run (comparitively speaking). Also Senegal is a pretty well-off country for Western Africa. That said so is Ghana and Nigeria, but we still had issues with payments being delayed or not being made.

    I'm optimistic, but given Nigeria, Ghana and Cameroon all had cash issues last World Cup I prefer to be careful here. Nigeria for example should be fine as they found sponsors for the coach and the players, but we'll see how that pans out.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good news on that front: it looks like FIFA will be paying out bonuses early (at best, the WC qualifying + group stage participation prizes) to avoid that very scenario.
     
  19. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    #94 zahzah, Dec 11, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2017
    Six months out and Poland is having some worrying injury issues. Given their short bench it could be worrying:

    Forward Arkadiusz Milik is out with a second knee ligament tear in a year, which means he's out till the new year. Even then these injuries are dreadful and there's no guarantee Milik will be in shape for the 2018 World Cup. Milik is Poland's best attacking player not named Lewandowski.

    Lukasz Piszczek of Borussia has his own issues with a ligament tear, but he should be up and running by the beginning of next year.

    Winger Maciej Matuszewski has a torn cruciate ligament and is out for 5-6 months and now most likely out of the squad. Pretty gruesome injury also... He's not a starter but he would have likely made the final 23.

    Not to mention that Lukasz Teodorczyk who was one of last summer's hottest items is now in such abysmal form that his value has plunged and not even the Polish coach wants to have anything to do with him. Not sure who the backup for Lewandowski now is... Stepinski has barely over 100 minutes and 1 goal this season with Chievo (Italy), Wilczek is a sub player in Denmark. I guess Swierczok is the most impressive based on goal tally, but he did fail to make a name for himself outside of Poland.
     
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  20. HomokHarcos

    HomokHarcos Member+

    Jul 2, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In terms of talent on paper, I'd say it's pretty close between Poland, Colombia and Senegal. I think the team that gets eliminated will be the team that drops points against Japan.
     
  21. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    All things considered I think Colombia has the best coach, which gives them a huge edge. Also Japan's coach is much better than Senegal's or Poland's, so that takes away a lot of the power differential.
     
  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The coach who oversaw losses to the UAE and Saudi Arabia, as well as a draw against Haiti? I'd love to hear your rationale for that statement.
     
  23. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    His overall track record is much better and he did great with Algeria. I don't follow the Japanese national side though.

    Senegal's coach is a former footballer with little coaching experience and limited qualifications. I don't even think he has a footballing philosophy. Poland's coach is just clueless. I guess the best I can say about him is that his entire gameplan seems to be give Lewandowski the ball. Very passive, reactive coach.
     
  24. Smoga

    Smoga Member

    Jan 28, 2002
    Brooklyn, NYC
    This is all true. And so is the statement that Nawalka is a passive manager. He has angered many by not playing offensively during Euro 16, but rather retreating as soon as the team had an advantageous score. This backfired during the Portugal match, but could have also backfired when Poland played Switzerland. Many also fault him for not thinking proactively and creatively by not substituting Fabianski with Boruc or Szczesny, who are much better shot stoppers for the penalty kicks phase of the Portugal match, even though he had one available sub.

    However, Nawalka is not necessarily "clueless". He recognized early on in his tenure that Poland must play with two strikers to be successful, if only to free up Lewandowski up front, or to allow the second striker room while Lewandowski is double or triple teamed. Thus Milik's form or availability will be a key factor if Poland is to succeed in Russia, as other available strikers are useless.

    Lack of bench is also a big problem, especially with ageing midfield. Makuszewski played well in the last two matches in midfield, so even though he is far from a household name his loss is huge.

    I think with Piszczek back and healthy Glik the defense is the best in the group. Pazdan is also not a well known commodity, but he was a beast in France.
     
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  25. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund

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