Who's better the 99er's or the 15er's?

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by ralmcg, Jul 5, 2015.

  1. ralmcg

    ralmcg Member

    I am going to ask everybody who is better, the 99er's or the 15er's. I would say the 15er's since they won in a more competitive field and they won the finals in regular time. The 99er's won theirs in a penalty shootout.
     
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  2. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    This group has three golds and a silver. Nobody else is close.
     
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  3. Plxix

    Plxix BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 13, 2006
    The level of play changed a lot since 99.
     
  4. thegamesthatrate

    Jan 9, 2007
    It's a fascinating question. However, after seeing the way this team dominated a powerful and technically proficient German team in the semis and then deployed Carli Lloyd as the Annihilator 2015 tonight, and remembering how the 99ers got by Brazil because Scurry had the game of a lifetime and nearly lost the championship game after Akers had to leave the game at the end of regulation, I would say that, in a head to head matchup, the 2015 team would win. Though Akers, Fawcett and Lilly would get spots on this team, many of the other 99ers would have trouble earning them, particularly based on the play of the last two games. Overbeck would be a tougher call. There is no way that Chastain, Milbrett, Foudy, Parlow or Sobrero would start on this team. Hamm versus Morgan would be a tough call. Overall I give Solo the nod over Scurry although Scurry's game against Brazil in '99 was the best any keeper has ever had for the USA in a big game.

    The edges seem to go to this year's team.
     
  5. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    The 99s were also outplayed in the final and fortunate to get to PKs, and they had more of a home field advantage. OTOH the 99s had a played complete game, but did so against mostly lesser competition.

    IMHO the 99 Chinese women's team was the best ever. I would pick them over any women's team from any year over a theoretical series of games.
     
  6. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Begs the additional question...all-time best USWNT 11?

    ------------------Abby
    -------------------------------Mia (a healthy Morgan is hot on her heals)
    ---------------------Akers
    --Lilly-------------------------------------Pinoe
    ---------------------Lloyd
    --Kling------Sauerbrunn----Fawcett----?
    ---------------------?
     
  7. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be mostly current players with maybe 3-4 players from prior teams.
     
  8. jackiesdad

    jackiesdad Member

    Apr 13, 2008
    It's funny that you have Lloyd here as a defensive midfielder, a role in which she has proven to be most ineffective. I'd rather see Lloyd as a withdrawn forward and push Mia out wide. Or maybe drop Akers back behind Lloyd.
     
  9. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    IMHO, Morgan has a long ways to go before she's judged to be better than Mia.

    Kling is too new to make an all time team. Sauerbrunn -- maybe, certainly a possibility for the future. Rampone should be on the team.
     
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  10. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many players from 99 would have even made this year's roster? I think that group of players is amazingly over rated. Akers had the highest peak of that generation and would be a lock, but she wasn't dominate in 99.
     
  11. thegamesthatrate

    Jan 9, 2007
    The two additional defenders should be Overbeck and either Whitehall or Krieger.

    Klingenberg lacks tenure.

    And, likely Johnston in time will make this list.
     
  12. JmThms

    JmThms Member

    Jul 6, 2015
    I guess its all a matter of opinion, and not trying to be antagonistic, but saying the 99 Chinese women's team was the best ever is, IMHO, hilarious. They were similar to this Japanese team in their technical ability and efficiency. But the U.S. teams generally equal (the 99 U.S team was nearly as proficient technically) or exceed that team in pure technical prowess, and far exceed that Chinese team in general athletic ability.

    Oh, and furthermore, the U.S. team was not outplayed in the 99 final.
     
  13. EbaJones

    EbaJones Member

    Sep 23, 2009
    Club:
    FFC Frankfurt
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a team I will take this 2015 group everyday. The 99's did not dominate the final, and super players like Akers were on their last leg. I just don't see them holding a candle to this team. I also think it is hard to compare era's.
     
  14. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    You're wrong. Lloyd never played as a dedicated 6 in this tournament. Early on she played pulley w/ Holiday, in which she (Lloyd) was usually the more advanced CM. She was not a dedicated 6.

    She's very good at that. Especially when she was younger and covered more ground. In "The Big Adjustment" Ellis made a Pirlo-esque decision to structure the team around Lloyd's skills. And, it worked great. But, if I'm doing an all time best 11, I'm not structuring that to accommodate one player. Lloyd could still do, from that position, what she did in this WC - late runs onto balls, pk's, and a 50 yard goal.

    None of her 4 goals vs. Germany & Japan were non-DM goals.
     
  15. jackiesdad

    jackiesdad Member

    Apr 13, 2008
    You're looking at her positives here, and I agree they could be performed by a DM. But you're ignoring her one BIG negative, which is that she is known to make the occasional WTF pass directly to the other team. When that happens in our own offensive third, so great harm. But if it happens in our defensive third, it's a potential disaster. I think Akers would be much less likely to make that errant pass.
     
  16. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Totally agree with that. My counter argument is that she's just not a playmaker/passer, period. Heck, Kling's was the best pass in the build up to the O'Hara goal. Akers, in her prime, could play make.

    But, Carli absolutely belongs in the 11. So, that's where I'd put her.

    Just going backward, to me, the really difficult decision is outside mid - Which do you leave out? Lilly, Millie, or Pinoe? How do you pick one?
     
  17. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    You're prolly right.

    Maybe. But, no left back we've had has ever had a tournament like Kling's. She was off the charts good.

    I love Rampone. But, I don't think she unseated Overbeck in many peoples minds. And, Sauerbrunn, to me, had an insanely good tournament. Other than if you added set piece scoring, I can't imagine a CB having a better tournament. JMO.
     
  18. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The game has changed a lot since 1999. I would put 2015 team ahead of the 99ers.
     
  19. thegamesthatrate

    Jan 9, 2007
    Of course, the way the USA played last night, they would have beaten any women's team from any year decisively.
     
  20. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless the team could defend corners....
     
  21. MilanSuperFan

    MilanSuperFan New Member

    Jun 18, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Curious as to who everyone feels will retire after this world cup. Will Abby and Rampone try to hang on for another Olympic medal?
     
  22. themightymagyar

    Aug 25, 2009
    Indianapolis
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I just noticed that Fox Sports is replaying the US run today. Probably did yesterday, but I wasn't paying attention.
     
  23. Dundalk24

    Dundalk24 Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    PA/OH
    I would say the standard of passing and chemistry was better in these last three matches than any of the matches in 1999. I have those matches recorded and I have watched them many times.
     
  24. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some of the 99 matches were just littered with amateur mistakes. The quality has risen quite a bit since then. Also the ability to retain possession and pass through pressure is much better.
     
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  25. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This one has better tactics and energy, while the 99 has some great players, especially Akers.
     

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